From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D617C3A589 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190AA206DD for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1730473AbfHTSy6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:48171 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728185AbfHTSy6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 14:54:58 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f69.google.com (mail-ed1-f69.google.com [209.85.208.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66B06C05E740 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 18:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f69.google.com with SMTP id y3so4676378edm.21 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:54:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version; bh=HtvEDRGxrGPnS2T9W21mP3iUU6UOHzIexzmqOTTsKSc=; b=QaipWOOfGKL31XPpMDlXJyG7MIhG166olbxJYsoSdmVEON2mR5dA7YRlFRB/i6s6vF jQ7kmmxA6GiJXS7tMetY05zVSMFTNHwBnvhJfKx35TeB2fLkBPuEqSoiFuavSfhWmuAK pMRQBcIM8+wRp7X1+ROCBp/f1svxCmMMiE7VdySIPmJiVpN58cAi+dJYsE8bzjSOvOhq wWMXNidigvET5DZQvyDXKITRWObT2wm9wwoUqvxyJ2VjB1Yca/zCNucsQokKClk0z+Na 3361GrZ3biuVlYjIwgM8qfSkjlhHda9qNo2vbqJ0iKnRVcEXag6FZQFtvIJ/3RKB9AXy na3A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWTAIJqrOdLBB56zNCgwz4cvscyeMmj/o/dnPLmMRGvMbdDq5q4 BJcLbkyVNMoBCyMHKTXj/QbldP/3xxq8xAOQX3otVcth/ezG/LB5NYCTrH26D7y3r3loyhoYaEB 4+iZN/UfCL4v90/J4teJ9dLtheoI= X-Received: by 2002:a50:f702:: with SMTP id g2mr17247782edn.261.1566327296186; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzh+t232moGtY4CgP1PjDJETKxf1Aas/+iGVi1ogST90QZztpLE1TAw0KtQl4cRPfE/H0KO7Q== X-Received: by 2002:a50:f702:: with SMTP id g2mr17247772edn.261.1566327296054; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk ([2a00:7660:6da:443::2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f35sm3661099edf.70.2019.08.20.11.54.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6EE74181CE4; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:54:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Denis Kenzior , Dan Williams , Johannes Berg , James Prestwood , linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC 0/1] Allow MAC change on up interface In-Reply-To: <32a1bddd-2472-10a3-4d0d-5634814e635b@gmail.com> References: <20190815185702.30937-1-prestwoj@gmail.com> <645af7dad899e8eb186b3fee0f8a8a151a408557.camel@sipsolutions.net> <394092a2f20697c9b055166a8254a5ef888551a5.camel@gmail.com> <4848c3a9d0b330fab4442436244387a2c127fa03.camel@sipsolutions.net> <1d975fec-a480-f40b-ff98-90d0e4852758@gmail.com> <72ac048c01619e0639fc182cd32818a5712cda1c.camel@sipsolutions.net> <7b9a7df3-6880-98f6-5c09-257165025559@gmail.com> <32547793981b3997f7e0f74137745f38615e5c54.camel@redhat.com> <32a1bddd-2472-10a3-4d0d-5634814e635b@gmail.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 20:54:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87lfvnsm4h.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org Denis Kenzior writes: > Hi Dan, > > On 8/20/19 12:53 PM, Dan Williams wrote: >> On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 10:40 -0500, Denis Kenzior wrote: >>> Hi Johannes, >>> >>>> Stop. >>>> >>>> Your tone, and in particular the constant snide comments and >>>> attacks on >>>> me are, quite frankly, getting extremely tiring. >>>> >>> >>> Look, I'm sorry I hit a nerve, but from where I am sitting, it had to >>> be >>> said... >> >> But did it really? And in that way? There were certainly better ways >> to go about that response. > > The issue is that this isn't the first such occurrence. There is a > pattern here and it needs to change. So +1 on handling this better. > >> >> I don't recall seeing a NAK anywhere his email chain (which you'd get >> with some other kernel maintainers) but instead (a) an explanation of >> why the proposed solution had some problems, (b) some alternative >> possibilities and (c) requests for more information so the discussion >> could continue. > > So the cover letter states: > "Set IFF_LIVE_ADDR_CHANGE on net_device. Note: I know setting this > where I did is likely not the right way to do it, but for this > proof-of-concept it works. With guidance I can move this around > to a proper place." > > and I'll leave it up to you to read the first response from the > maintainer. I went back and re-read the whole thread, and all I see is Johannes and James having a technical discussion, and you barging in with accusations of bad faith. So yeah, going to agree with Dan here; you were not "hitting a nerve", you were just being rude. -Toke