wireless workshop coming soon :-)

wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Johannes Berg]

Please add your favourite topics to

https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019

I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
you have an opinion on those :-)

johannes

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> Please add your favourite topics to
>
> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019
>
> I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
> you have an opinion on those :-)

Cool! Could we schedule the scheduling and airtime fairness topics after
10:30? Have a tutorial to run in the morning and would obviously like to
participate in those discussions ;)

-Toke

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Johannes Berg]

On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 12:11 +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:
> 
> > Please add your favourite topics to
> > 
> > https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019
> > 
> > I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
> > you have an opinion on those :-)
> 
> Cool! Could we schedule the scheduling and airtime fairness topics after
> 10:30? Have a tutorial to run in the morning and would obviously like to
> participate in those discussions ;)

Yeah, I'm aware. I also have a conflict with the netlink workshop, so
Kalle will have to take over for me some of the time :-)

johannes

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 12:11 +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:
>> 
>> > Please add your favourite topics to
>> > 
>> > https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019
>> > 
>> > I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
>> > you have an opinion on those :-)
>> 
>> Cool! Could we schedule the scheduling and airtime fairness topics after
>> 10:30? Have a tutorial to run in the morning and would obviously like to
>> participate in those discussions ;)
>
> Yeah, I'm aware. I also have a conflict with the netlink workshop, so
> Kalle will have to take over for me some of the time :-)

Great! Thought you probably were, just wanted an explicit ACK ;)

-Toke

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Kevin Hayes]

[resending after html mode got nacked..]

Hi Johannes/Toke,
It would be fine with Kan and me to push the airtime fairness
discussion to later, to accomodate Toke.
Workshop fairness in action.  :)

K++

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:23 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:
>
> > On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 12:11 +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> >> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:
> >>
> >> > Please add your favourite topics to
> >> >
> >> > https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019
> >> >
> >> > I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
> >> > you have an opinion on those :-)
> >>
> >> Cool! Could we schedule the scheduling and airtime fairness topics after
> >> 10:30? Have a tutorial to run in the morning and would obviously like to
> >> participate in those discussions ;)
> >
> > Yeah, I'm aware. I also have a conflict with the netlink workshop, so
> > Kalle will have to take over for me some of the time :-)
>
> Great! Thought you probably were, just wanted an explicit ACK ;)
>
> -Toke



-- 

Kevin Hayes

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Johannes Berg]

On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 20:21 -0700, Kevin Hayes wrote:
> [resending after html mode got nacked..]
> 
> Hi Johannes/Toke,
> It would be fine with Kan and me to push the airtime fairness
> discussion to later, to accomodate Toke.
> Workshop fairness in action.  :)

:)
Yes, I know we need to do that. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to
really build up a time-based agenda.

Let's see. We have track 4 all day on Wednesday, overlaps are:

              | track 1 | track 2 | track 3
 8:30 - 10:30 | TCP     | XDP tut | IoT / U-LPWA
10:50 - 11:50 | TCP     | Kubrnts | FRR
11:50 - 12:20 | netlink | QUIC    | FRR dataplane
13:20 - 14:20 | netlink | QUIC    | -
14:40 - 16:10 | TC      | NF      | -
16:30 - 18:00 | hw offl | preempt | -

So the overlaps I know about are the XDP Tutorial (Toke) and netlink
(partially at least, myself).

Any others?

Clearly Toke needs to be at the full XDP Tutorial, I think I can live
with just doing the first part of the netlink workshop, according to
their (tentative) agenda.

As far as I'm concerned, we need Toke for the eBPF/XDP wifi topic, and
clearly for all the topics related to TXQs, which includes at least part
of HE/11ax. Toke, is there anything else you have a strong interest in?


So tentatively, I'd say you can do w/o me for the FQ/airtime fairness
stuff (right Toke, Kalle?) and talk about that at 11:50?



Just randomly dropping the other stuff, I get:

(T = no Toke, J = no Johannes)

 8:30 -  9:00 T intro / CRDA deprecation / other regulatory topics?
 9:00 -  9:30 T CSI reporting / vendor command/event handling updates
 9:30 - 10:00 T nl80211 APIs - non-public features, NAN deprecation
10:00 - 10:30 T nl80211 APIs cont'd - Android
10:50 - 11:20   eBPF integration / XDP support for wifi
11:20 - 11:50   (buffer)
11:50 - 12:20 J rtw88 / grill Kalle (be)fore lunch ;-)
13:20 - 13:50   Kevin/Kan chromiumOS fairness review, bufferbloat plans
13:50 - 14:20   fq_codel / airtime fairness stack integration
14:40 - 15:10   HE/11ax status, timeline, testing, future work
15:10 - 15:40   HE/11ax TXQ AP-side (is anyone doing something here?)
15:40 - 16:10   release discussions (iw, wpa_s, ...)
16:30 - 17:00   security issue handling w/ backports
17:00 - 17:30   (buffer)
17:30 - 18:00

WDYT?

johannes

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Johannes Berg]

On Fri, 2019-03-15 at 10:20 +0100, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 20:21 -0700, Kevin Hayes wrote:
> > [resending after html mode got nacked..]
> > 
> > Hi Johannes/Toke,
> > It would be fine with Kan and me to push the airtime fairness
> > discussion to later, to accomodate Toke.
> > Workshop fairness in action.  :)
> 
> :)
> Yes, I know we need to do that. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to
> really build up a time-based agenda.
> 
> Let's see. We have track 4 all day on Wednesday, overlaps are:
> 
>               | track 1 | track 2 | track 3
>  8:30 - 10:30 | TCP     | XDP tut | IoT / U-LPWA
> 10:50 - 11:50 | TCP     | Kubrnts | FRR
> 11:50 - 12:20 | netlink | QUIC    | FRR dataplane
> 13:20 - 14:20 | netlink | QUIC    | -
> 14:40 - 16:10 | TC      | NF      | -
> 16:30 - 18:00 | hw offl | preempt | -
> 
> So the overlaps I know about are the XDP Tutorial (Toke) and netlink
> (partially at least, myself).
> 
> Any others?
> 
> Clearly Toke needs to be at the full XDP Tutorial, I think I can live
> with just doing the first part of the netlink workshop, according to
> their (tentative) agenda.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned, we need Toke for the eBPF/XDP wifi topic, and
> clearly for all the topics related to TXQs, which includes at least part
> of HE/11ax. Toke, is there anything else you have a strong interest in?
> 
> 
> So tentatively, I'd say you can do w/o me for the FQ/airtime fairness
> stuff (right Toke, Kalle?) and talk about that at 11:50?
> 
> 
> 
> Just randomly dropping the other stuff, I get:
> 
> (T = no Toke, J = no Johannes)
> 
>  8:30 -  9:00 T intro / CRDA deprecation / other regulatory topics?
>  9:00 -  9:30 T CSI reporting / vendor command/event handling updates
>  9:30 - 10:00 T nl80211 APIs - non-public features, NAN deprecation
> 10:00 - 10:30 T nl80211 APIs cont'd - Android
> 10:50 - 11:20   eBPF integration / XDP support for wifi
> 11:20 - 11:50   (buffer)
> 11:50 - 12:20 J rtw88 / grill Kalle (be)fore lunch ;-)
> 13:20 - 13:50   Kevin/Kan chromiumOS fairness review, bufferbloat plans
> 13:50 - 14:20   fq_codel / airtime fairness stack integration
> 14:40 - 15:10   HE/11ax status, timeline, testing, future work
> 15:10 - 15:40   HE/11ax TXQ AP-side (is anyone doing something here?)
> 15:40 - 16:10   release discussions (iw, wpa_s, ...)
> 16:30 - 17:00   security issue handling w/ backports
> 17:00 - 17:30   (buffer)
> 17:30 - 18:00

Oh, I have another idea - radiotap TLV format discussion, if anyone
cares?

johannes

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:

> On Sun, 2019-03-10 at 20:21 -0700, Kevin Hayes wrote:
>> [resending after html mode got nacked..]
>> 
>> Hi Johannes/Toke,
>> It would be fine with Kan and me to push the airtime fairness
>> discussion to later, to accomodate Toke.
>> Workshop fairness in action.  :)
>
> :)
> Yes, I know we need to do that. Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to
> really build up a time-based agenda.
>
> Let's see. We have track 4 all day on Wednesday, overlaps are:
>
>               | track 1 | track 2 | track 3
>  8:30 - 10:30 | TCP     | XDP tut | IoT / U-LPWA
> 10:50 - 11:50 | TCP     | Kubrnts | FRR
> 11:50 - 12:20 | netlink | QUIC    | FRR dataplane
> 13:20 - 14:20 | netlink | QUIC    | -
> 14:40 - 16:10 | TC      | NF      | -
> 16:30 - 18:00 | hw offl | preempt | -
>
> So the overlaps I know about are the XDP Tutorial (Toke) and netlink
> (partially at least, myself).
>
> Any others?
>
> Clearly Toke needs to be at the full XDP Tutorial, I think I can live
> with just doing the first part of the netlink workshop, according to
> their (tentative) agenda.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, we need Toke for the eBPF/XDP wifi topic, and
> clearly for all the topics related to TXQs, which includes at least part
> of HE/11ax. Toke, is there anything else you have a strong interest in?
>
>
> So tentatively, I'd say you can do w/o me for the FQ/airtime fairness
> stuff (right Toke, Kalle?) and talk about that at 11:50?
>
>
>
> Just randomly dropping the other stuff, I get:
>
> (T = no Toke, J = no Johannes)
>
>  8:30 -  9:00 T intro / CRDA deprecation / other regulatory topics?
>  9:00 -  9:30 T CSI reporting / vendor command/event handling updates
>  9:30 - 10:00 T nl80211 APIs - non-public features, NAN deprecation
> 10:00 - 10:30 T nl80211 APIs cont'd - Android
> 10:50 - 11:20   eBPF integration / XDP support for wifi
> 11:20 - 11:50   (buffer)
> 11:50 - 12:20 J rtw88 / grill Kalle (be)fore lunch ;-)
> 13:20 - 13:50   Kevin/Kan chromiumOS fairness review, bufferbloat plans
> 13:50 - 14:20   fq_codel / airtime fairness stack integration
> 14:40 - 15:10   HE/11ax status, timeline, testing, future work
> 15:10 - 15:40   HE/11ax TXQ AP-side (is anyone doing something here?)
> 15:40 - 16:10   release discussions (iw, wpa_s, ...)
> 16:30 - 17:00   security issue handling w/ backports
> 17:00 - 17:30   (buffer)
> 17:30 - 18:00
>
> WDYT?

SGTM :)

-Toke

Re: wireless workshop coming soon :-)

[Kirtika Ruchandani]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:12 AM Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 12:11 +0100, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> > Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> writes:
> >
> > > Please add your favourite topics to
> > >
> > > https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/summits/prague-2019
> > >
> > > I've added a few I think we should discuss at this stage, so also see if
> > > you have an opinion on those :-)
> >
> > Cool! Could we schedule the scheduling and airtime fairness topics after
> > 10:30? Have a tutorial to run in the morning and would obviously like to
> > participate in those discussions ;)
>
> Yeah, I'm aware. I also have a conflict with the netlink workshop, so
> Kalle will have to take over for me some of the time :-)
>

More people may be interested in knowing what is being covered
at the wireless workshop until 10.30 so we can make a call on which
one to attend?