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From: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:30:22 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061026073022.GG8394166@melbourne.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200610252105.56862.rjw@sisk.pl>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:23, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > 
> > > Well, my impression is that this is exactly what happens here: Something
> > > in the XFS code causes metadata to be written to disk _after_ the atomic
> > > snapshot.
> > > 
> > > That's why I asked if the dirty XFS metadata were flushed by a kernel thread.
> > 
> > When I first added bdev freezing it was because there was an XFS timer
> > doing writes.
> 
> Yes, I noticed you said that, but I'd like someone from the XFS team to either
> confirm or deny it.

We have daemons running in the background that can definitely do stuff
after a sync. hmm - one does try_to_freeze() after a wakeup, the
other does:

                if (unlikely(freezing(current))) {
                        set_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
                        refrigerator();
                } else {
                        clear_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
                }

before it goes to sleep. So that one (xfsbufd - metadata buffer flushing)
can definitely wake up after the sync and do work, and the other could if
the kernel thread freeze occurs after the sync.

Another good question at this point - exactly how should we be putting
these thread to to sleep? Are both these valid methods for freezing them?
And should we be freezing when we wake up instead of before we go to
sleep? i.e. what are teh rules we are supposed to be following?

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-26  7:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1161576735.3466.7.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
     [not found] ` <200610231236.54317.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-24 14:44   ` [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes David Chinner
2006-10-24 15:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 16:27       ` Oleg Verych
2006-10-25  8:05         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 16:33       ` David Chinner
2006-10-24 21:37         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25  0:13           ` David Chinner
2006-10-25  8:10             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25  8:38               ` David Chinner
2006-10-25  8:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25 12:32                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-25 13:23                     ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                       ` <200610252105.56862.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-26  7:30                         ` David Chinner [this message]
2006-10-26  8:18                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  8:48                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-26  8:57                             ` David Chinner
2006-10-26  9:11                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-27  1:38                                 ` David Chinner
2006-10-27 14:37                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-29 17:35                                   ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                                     ` <200610300029.25555.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-29 23:46                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  9:18                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  9:08                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 17:06       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 21:26         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 21:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 21:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 22:19     ` Nigel Cunningham

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