From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:11:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200610261111.30486.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061026085700.GI8394166@melbourne.sgi.com>
Hi,
On Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:57, David Chinner wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:18:29PM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 17:30 +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> > > We have daemons running in the background that can definitely do stuff
> > > after a sync. hmm - one does try_to_freeze() after a wakeup, the
> > > other does:
> > >
> > > if (unlikely(freezing(current))) {
> > > set_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
> > > refrigerator();
> > > } else {
> > > clear_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
> > > }
> > >
> > > before it goes to sleep. So that one (xfsbufd - metadata buffer flushing)
> > > can definitely wake up after the sync and do work, and the other could if
> > > the kernel thread freeze occurs after the sync.
> > >
> > > Another good question at this point - exactly how should we be putting
> > > these thread to to sleep? Are both these valid methods for freezing them?
> > > And should we be freezing when we wake up instead of before we go to
> > > sleep? i.e. what are teh rules we are supposed to be following?
> >
> > As you have them at the moment, the threads seem to be freezing fine.
> > The issue I've seen in the past related not to threads but to timer
> > based activity. Admittedly it was 2.6.14 when I last looked at it, but
> > there used to be a possibility for XFS to submit I/O from a timer when
> > the threads are frozen but the bdev isn't frozen. Has that changed?
>
> I didn't think we've ever done that - periodic or delayed operations
> are passed off to the kernel threads to execute. A stack trace
> (if you still have it) would be really help here.
>
> Hmmm - we have a couple of per-cpu work queues as well that are
> used on I/O completion and that can, in some circumstances,
> trigger new transactions. If we are only flush metadata, then
> I don't think that any more I/o will be issued, but I could be
> wrong (maze of twisty passages).
Well, I think this exactly is the problem, because worker_threads run with
PF_NOFREEZE set (as I've just said in another message).
Greetings,
Rafael
--
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
R. Buckminster Fuller
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[not found] <1161576735.3466.7.camel@nigel.suspend2.net>
[not found] ` <200610231236.54317.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-24 14:44 ` [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes David Chinner
2006-10-24 15:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 16:27 ` Oleg Verych
2006-10-25 8:05 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 16:33 ` David Chinner
2006-10-24 21:37 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25 0:13 ` David Chinner
2006-10-25 8:10 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25 8:38 ` David Chinner
2006-10-25 8:47 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25 12:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-25 13:23 ` Nigel Cunningham
[not found] ` <200610252105.56862.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-26 7:30 ` David Chinner
2006-10-26 8:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26 8:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-26 8:57 ` David Chinner
2006-10-26 9:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2006-10-27 1:38 ` David Chinner
2006-10-27 14:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-29 17:35 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <200610300029.25555.rjw@sisk.pl>
2006-10-29 23:46 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26 9:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26 9:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 17:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 21:26 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 21:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 21:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 22:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
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