* XFS + RAID1 strange message
@ 2007-07-13 15:10 Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
2007-07-13 16:14 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-07-16 2:25 ` David Chinner
0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan @ 2007-07-13 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: xfs
Hi
I got linux box
Linux gepard 2.6.17-pp3 #6 SMP Tue Feb 13 12:50:39 CET 2007 i686 unknown
2 brand new sata WDC RAPTOR disks
SCSI device sda: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
sda: Write Protect is off
sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
SCSI device sda: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
sda: Write Protect is off
sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 >
sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
SCSI device sdb: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
sdb: Write Protect is off
sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
SCSI device sdb: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
sdb: Write Protect is off
sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8 >
sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb
with raid1 on them done by mdadm
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of
2 mirrors
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: md: ... autorun DONE.
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
md1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: VFS: Mounted root (xfs filesystem)
readonly.
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md2
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
(logdev: internal)
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
(logdev: internal)
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md0": Disabling barriers, not
supported by the underlying device
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md0
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
md0
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
sdc1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md3": Disabling barriers, not
supported by the underlying device
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md3
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
md3
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc2
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
sdc2
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc5
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
sdc5
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc6
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
sdc6
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem hda1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
hda1
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc7
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
sdc7
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md4": Disabling barriers, not
supported by the underlying device
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md4
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
md4
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md5": Disabling barriers, not
supported by the underlying device
Jul 12 18:25:15 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md5
Jul 12 18:25:15 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
md5
When i reboot , halt the server i always get
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
(logdev: internal)
Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
(logdev: internal)
such errors. Only on md2.
qba@gepard:~$ mount | grep md2
/dev/md2 on /usr type xfs (rw)
I tried to disable Write Cache but without success.
[root@gepard log]#hdparm -W0 /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
operation not supported on SCSI disks
[root@gepard log]#sginfo -c /dev/sda
Caching mode page (0x8)
-----------------------
Initiator Control 0
ABPF 0
CAP 0
DISC 0
SIZE 0
Write Cache Enabled 1
MF 0
Read Cache Disabled 0
Demand Read Retention Priority 0
Demand Write Retention Priority 0
Disable Pre-fetch Transfer Length 0
Minimum Pre-fetch 0
Maximum Pre-fetch 0
Maximum Pre-fetch Ceiling 0
FSW 0
LBCSS 0
DRA 0
Number of Cache Segments 0
Cache Segment size 0
Non-Cache Segment size 0
[root@gepard log]# sginfo -cXR /dev/sda 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0
>>> Unable to store Caching mode page 0x8 [msel_10]
[root@gepard log]#sginfo -c /dev/sda | grep -i write
Write Cache Enabled 1
I checked the log
[root@gepard log]#xfs_logprint /dev/md2
xfs_logprint:
xfs_logprint: /dev/md2 contains a mounted and writable filesystem
data device: 0x902
log device: 0x902 daddr: 2931744 length: 20480
Header 0x3 wanted 0xfeedbabe
**********************************************************************
* ERROR: header cycle=3 block=13539
* *
**********************************************************************
Bad log record header
The disks seems to be OK
[root@gepard log]#badblocks -s -v -c 512 /dev/sda5
Checking for bad blocks in read-only mode
>From block 0 to 2931831
Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done
Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found.
[root@gepard log]#badblocks -s -v -c 512 /dev/sdb5
Checking for bad blocks in read-only mode
>From block 0 to 2931831
Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done
Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found.
Is it normal message , and i should not worry about it?
Thank You for any info and suggestions.
--
Pozdrawiam, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
http://f-net.pl qba_nospam_@f-net.pl
RLU#212729 net/sys administrator
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as
kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills
and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson,
Nintendo Inc., 1989.
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-13 15:10 XFS + RAID1 strange message Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
@ 2007-07-13 16:14 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-07-16 2:31 ` David Chinner
2007-07-16 2:25 ` David Chinner
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Justin Piszcz @ 2007-07-13 16:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan; +Cc: xfs
You have hit the infamous 2.6.17-2.6.17.6 bug.
Check the XFS FAQ, I suggest you backup your files and re-format, happened
to me too with a SW MD RAID1, kind of defats the purpose of RAID1; hence,
backups :)
Justin.
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan wrote:
> Hi
>
> I got linux box
> Linux gepard 2.6.17-pp3 #6 SMP Tue Feb 13 12:50:39 CET 2007 i686 unknown
>
> 2 brand new sata WDC RAPTOR disks
>
> SCSI device sda: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
> sda: Write Protect is off
> sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
> SCSI device sda: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
> sda: Write Protect is off
> sda: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sda: drive cache: write back
> sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 sda6 sda7 sda8 >
> sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sda
> SCSI device sdb: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
> sdb: Write Protect is off
> sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
> SCSI device sdb: 72303840 512-byte hdwr sectors (37020 MB)
> sdb: Write Protect is off
> sdb: Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00
> SCSI device sdb: drive cache: write back
> sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4 < sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8 >
> sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdb
>
> with raid1 on them done by mdadm
>
>
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: raid1: raid set md0 active with 2 out of
> 2 mirrors
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: md: ... autorun DONE.
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> md1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: VFS: Mounted root (xfs filesystem)
> readonly.
>
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md2
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md0": Disabling barriers, not
> supported by the underlying device
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md0
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> md0
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> sdc1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md3": Disabling barriers, not
> supported by the underlying device
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md3
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> md3
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc2
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> sdc2
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc5
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> sdc5
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc6
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> sdc6
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem hda1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> hda1
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem sdc7
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> sdc7
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md4": Disabling barriers, not
> supported by the underlying device
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md4
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> md4
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Filesystem "md5": Disabling barriers, not
> supported by the underlying device
> Jul 12 18:25:15 gepard kernel: XFS mounting filesystem md5
> Jul 12 18:25:15 gepard kernel: Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem:
> md5
>
> When i reboot , halt the server i always get
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
>
> such errors. Only on md2.
> qba@gepard:~$ mount | grep md2
> /dev/md2 on /usr type xfs (rw)
>
>
> I tried to disable Write Cache but without success.
>
> [root@gepard log]#hdparm -W0 /dev/sda
>
> /dev/sda:
> operation not supported on SCSI disks
>
> [root@gepard log]#sginfo -c /dev/sda
> Caching mode page (0x8)
> -----------------------
> Initiator Control 0
> ABPF 0
> CAP 0
> DISC 0
> SIZE 0
> Write Cache Enabled 1
> MF 0
> Read Cache Disabled 0
> Demand Read Retention Priority 0
> Demand Write Retention Priority 0
> Disable Pre-fetch Transfer Length 0
> Minimum Pre-fetch 0
> Maximum Pre-fetch 0
> Maximum Pre-fetch Ceiling 0
> FSW 0
> LBCSS 0
> DRA 0
> Number of Cache Segments 0
> Cache Segment size 0
> Non-Cache Segment size 0
>
> [root@gepard log]# sginfo -cXR /dev/sda 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
> 0 0 0 0
> >>> Unable to store Caching mode page 0x8 [msel_10]
>
> [root@gepard log]#sginfo -c /dev/sda | grep -i write
> Write Cache Enabled 1
>
>
> I checked the log
> [root@gepard log]#xfs_logprint /dev/md2
> xfs_logprint:
> xfs_logprint: /dev/md2 contains a mounted and writable filesystem
> data device: 0x902
> log device: 0x902 daddr: 2931744 length: 20480
>
> Header 0x3 wanted 0xfeedbabe
> **********************************************************************
> * ERROR: header cycle=3 block=13539
> * *
> **********************************************************************
> Bad log record header
>
> The disks seems to be OK
>
> [root@gepard log]#badblocks -s -v -c 512 /dev/sda5
> Checking for bad blocks in read-only mode
>> From block 0 to 2931831
> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done
> Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found.
> [root@gepard log]#badblocks -s -v -c 512 /dev/sdb5
> Checking for bad blocks in read-only mode
>> From block 0 to 2931831
> Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done
> Pass completed, 0 bad blocks found.
>
>
>
> Is it normal message , and i should not worry about it?
>
> Thank You for any info and suggestions.
>
> --
> Pozdrawiam, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
> http://f-net.pl qba_nospam_@f-net.pl
> RLU#212729 net/sys administrator
>
> "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as
> kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills
> and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson,
> Nintendo Inc., 1989.
>
>
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-13 15:10 XFS + RAID1 strange message Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
2007-07-13 16:14 ` Justin Piszcz
@ 2007-07-16 2:25 ` David Chinner
2007-07-17 7:29 ` Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Chinner @ 2007-07-16 2:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan; +Cc: xfs
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 05:10:58PM +0200, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan wrote:
> Hi
>
> I got linux box
> Linux gepard 2.6.17-pp3 #6 SMP Tue Feb 13 12:50:39 CET 2007 i686 unknown
You *really* don't want to be using that kernel for XFS. Please
upgrade to at least 2.6.17.7 to avoid the dir2 corruption bug
in that release.
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#dir2
> When i reboot , halt the server i always get
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
> Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> (logdev: internal)
>
> such errors. Only on md2.
> qba@gepard:~$ mount | grep md2
> /dev/md2 on /usr type xfs (rw)
I assume you mean when the system boots - those timestamps are from your
boot log above. What is it that you think is incorrect about these
messages? They are information indicating a successful log recovery
which means your /usr filesystem is not being cleanly unmounted by your
shutdown scripts. This is just saying that log recover occurred on
that filesystem and everything is ok.
> Is it normal message , and i should not worry about it?
Yes, you'll see this message for any filesystem that wasn't cleanly
unmounted and if it succeeds then you have nothing to worry about.
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-13 16:14 ` Justin Piszcz
@ 2007-07-16 2:31 ` David Chinner
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Chinner @ 2007-07-16 2:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Justin Piszcz; +Cc: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan, xfs
On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 12:14:27PM -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote:
> You have hit the infamous 2.6.17-2.6.17.6 bug.
No, that's incorrect. There is no evidence of that problem being
hit here. Still, a kernel upgrade is definitely advisable.
> Check the XFS FAQ, I suggest you backup your files and re-format, happened
> to me too with a SW MD RAID1, kind of defats the purpose of RAID1; hence,
> backups :)
Dump, reformat and restore is not necessary either as xfs-repair
can fix the problem.
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-16 2:25 ` David Chinner
@ 2007-07-17 7:29 ` Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
2007-07-17 10:05 ` David Chinner
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan @ 2007-07-17 7:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: xfs
On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:25:18PM +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 05:10:58PM +0200, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I got linux box
> > Linux gepard 2.6.17-pp3 #6 SMP Tue Feb 13 12:50:39 CET 2007 i686 unknown
>
> You *really* don't want to be using that kernel for XFS. Please
> upgrade to at least 2.6.17.7 to avoid the dir2 corruption bug
> in that release.
>
> http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#dir2
It seems that i have to upgrade on all servers.
>
> > When i reboot , halt the server i always get
> > Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> > (logdev: internal)
> > Jul 12 18:25:14 gepard kernel: Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: md2
> > (logdev: internal)
> >
> > such errors. Only on md2.
> > qba@gepard:~$ mount | grep md2
> > /dev/md2 on /usr type xfs (rw)
>
> I assume you mean when the system boots - those timestamps are from your
> boot log above. What is it that you think is incorrect about these
> messages? They are information indicating a successful log recovery
> which means your /usr filesystem is not being cleanly unmounted by your
> shutdown scripts. This is just saying that log recover occurred on
> that filesystem and everything is ok.
>
Yes , these are system boot logs.
I understand completely that this is log informing about recovery of
log.
But why ? It seems that i have to investigate why /usr was not clenly
unmounted.
> > Is it normal message , and i should not worry about it?
>
> Yes, you'll see this message for any filesystem that wasn't cleanly
> unmounted and if it succeeds then you have nothing to worry about.
>
I know i know.... I was thinking rather about this if it is usual on
raid1 - or some bug with xfs on raid.
Thanks for help and advice.
--
Pozdrawiam, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
http://f-net.pl qba_nospam_@f-net.pl
RLU#212729 net/sys administrator
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as
kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills
and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson,
Nintendo Inc., 1989.
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-17 7:29 ` Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
@ 2007-07-17 10:05 ` David Chinner
2007-07-17 13:10 ` Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: David Chinner @ 2007-07-17 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan; +Cc: xfs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:29:44AM +0200, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:25:18PM +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> > Yes, you'll see this message for any filesystem that wasn't cleanly
> > unmounted and if it succeeds then you have nothing to worry about.
>
> I know i know.... I was thinking rather about this if it is usual on
> raid1 - or some bug with xfs on raid.
It's probably indicative of a process still running holding an open
reference on the filesystem preventing it from being unmounted.
i.e. the shutdown scripts aren't killing everything or some such
problem...
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group
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* Re: XFS + RAID1 strange message
2007-07-17 10:05 ` David Chinner
@ 2007-07-17 13:10 ` Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan @ 2007-07-17 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: xfs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 08:05:29PM +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 09:29:44AM +0200, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 12:25:18PM +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> > > Yes, you'll see this message for any filesystem that wasn't cleanly
> > > unmounted and if it succeeds then you have nothing to worry about.
> >
> > I know i know.... I was thinking rather about this if it is usual on
> > raid1 - or some bug with xfs on raid.
>
> It's probably indicative of a process still running holding an open
> reference on the filesystem preventing it from being unmounted.
> i.e. the shutdown scripts aren't killing everything or some such
> problem...
>
I know.
Have to go to see it myself.
Thanks...
--
Pozdrawiam, Dawid 'Kuba' Chrzan
http://f-net.pl qba_nospam_@f-net.pl
RLU#212729 net/sys administrator
"Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as
kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills
and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Kristian Wilson,
Nintendo Inc., 1989.
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