From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list xfs); Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cuda.sgi.com (cuda1.sgi.com [192.48.168.28]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m696tTXe019474 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:55:29 -0700 Received: from casper.infradead.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cuda.sgi.com (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 9D39911E4F0A for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casper.infradead.org (casper.infradead.org [85.118.1.10]) by cuda.sgi.com with ESMTP id 28QTYqtNYaaF45Eu for ; Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 23:55:02 -0700 From: Arjan van de Ven Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Message-ID: <20080708235502.1c52a586@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20080630212450t-sato@mail.jp.nec.com> <20080701081026.GB16691@infradead.org> <20080707110730.GG5643@ucw.cz> <20080708231026.GP11558@disturbed> <20080708232031.GE18195@elf.ucw.cz> <20080709005254.GQ11558@disturbed> <20080709010922.GE9957@mit.edu> <20080709061621.GA5260@infradead.org> <20080708234120.5072111f@infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: xfs-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: xfs-bounce@oss.sgi.com List-Id: xfs To: Miklos Szeredi Cc: hch@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, pavel@suse.cz, t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, xfs@oss.sgi.com, dm-devel@redhat.com, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:48:42 +0200 Miklos Szeredi wrote: > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > nah he needs to do > > > > make_snapshot ; backup-command ; unref_snapshot. > > > > freezing isn't the right solution for the backup problem ;) > > Confused, what's freezing _is_ for then? Patch description says: > > Currently, ext3 in mainline Linux doesn't have the freeze feature > which suspends write requests. So, we cannot take a backup which > keeps the filesystem's consistency with the storage device's features > (snapshot and replication) while it is mounted. I tihnk the idea there is freeze . do the snapshot op . unfreeze . make backup of snapshot one can argue about the need of doing the first 3 steps via a userland loop; it sure sounds like one needs to be really careful to not do any writes to the fs from the app that does snapshots (and that includes doing any syscalls in the kernel that allocate memory.. just because that already could cause unrelated data to be written from inside the app. Not fun.) -- If you want to reach me at my work email, use arjan@linux.intel.com For development, discussion and tips for power savings, visit http://www.lesswatts.org