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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <lopresti@gmail.com>
Cc: xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: Simultaneously mounting one XFS partition on multiple machines
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 08:53:06 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110104215306.GM15179@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=B_zhQG9P22gXcb40JZT=VnEUedTW9xxcuN4cP@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 04, 2011 at 09:46:39AM -0800, Patrick J. LoPresti wrote:
> Hey, what's the worst that could happen?

That's just asking for trouble. ;)

> I recently learned that some of my colleagues have configured two
> Linux systems to simultaneously mount a single XFS partition residing
> on shared storage.  Specifically, "system R" has the partition mounted
> read-only while "system W" has it mounted read/write.
> 
> I told them that this sounds like a very bad idea because XFS is not a
> clustered file system.  But they are skeptical because "it seems to be
> working fine".  I need to know what the actual risks are and whether
> they can be mitigated.

Ok, so it will appear to work fine most of the time...

> This partition holds large amounts of essentially archival data; that
> is, it is read frequently but written rarely.  When they do want to
> write to it, they do so via system W and then reboot system R.

You could probably just run "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" or
just umount/mount the device again to get the same effect as
rebooting.

> I am no expert on XFS, but there are essentially two risks that I can see:
> 
> Risk 1: When making changes via system W, the view of the file system
> from system R can become corrupted or inconsistent.  My colleagues are
> aware of this and believe they can live with it, as long as the
> underlying file system is not being damaged ("we can just reboot").

Yup, so long as system R does not cache anything, or the caches are
dropped after system W writes, you should be fine. However, there is a
window between system W starting to write and system R
being rebooted that system R could read inconsistent metadata and/or
data. There's not much you can do about that apart from take system
R offline while system W is writing.

> Risk 2: Any time the file system is mounted, even read-only, it will
> replay the journal if it is non-empty.  (At least, I believe this is
> true.  Could one of you please confirm or deny?)  So if machine R
> should reboot while the journal is non-empty, it will replay it,
> causing fairly unpredictable on-disk corruption.

Yup.

> Here are my questions.
> 
> 1) When can a read-only XFS mount write to the disk, exactly?

Log recovery only. Use mount -o ro,norecovery to avoid that.

> 2) If I do a "sync" on machine W (and perform no further writes), will
> that truncate the journal?

FYI, the journal cannot be truncated - it is a fixed size circular
log.

To get the log clean, I'd freeze the filesystem on system W while
system R mounts. e.g:

	system W		system R
				unmount <fs>
	write data
	freeze fs
				mount -o ro,norecovery <fs>
	unfreeze fs

> 3) What am I missing?

1. NFS/CIFS. No need for shared access to the block device. NFs
works pretty well for read only access, especially if you put a
dedicated 10GbE link between the two machines...

2. Snapshots. If you must share the block device, snapshot the
active filesystem and mount that readonly on system R - the snapshot
will be unchanging. When system W knows a snapshot is unmounted and
finished with, it can delete it.  That is:


	system W		system R
	write data
	....
	write data
	snapshot <fs.ss2>
				umount <fs.ss1>
				mount -o ro,norecovery <fs.ss2>
	delete snapshot <fs.ss1>
	....
	write data
	.....
	write data
	snapshot <fs.ss3>
				umount <fs.ss2>
				mount -o ro,norecovery <fs.ss3>
	delete snapshot <fs.ss2>
	....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2011-01-04 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-04 17:46 Simultaneously mounting one XFS partition on multiple machines Patrick J. LoPresti
2011-01-04 21:52 ` Emmanuel Florac
2011-01-04 21:53 ` Dave Chinner [this message]

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