* Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 @ 2012-01-29 0:36 Stan Hoeppner 2012-01-29 7:38 ` Martin Steigerwald 2012-01-30 3:44 ` Dave Chinner 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Stan Hoeppner @ 2012-01-29 0:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: xfs http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0NzM (I don't care for the Phoronix title or summary) I really enjoyed your presentation Dave. It's also nice to finally put a face and voice to a name. -- Stan _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 2012-01-29 0:36 Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 Stan Hoeppner @ 2012-01-29 7:38 ` Martin Steigerwald 2012-01-30 0:47 ` Dave Chinner 2012-01-30 3:44 ` Dave Chinner 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Martin Steigerwald @ 2012-01-29 7:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: xfs, stan Am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0NzM > (I don't care for the Phoronix title or summary) > > I really enjoyed your presentation Dave. It's also nice to finally put > a face and voice to a name. Yes, I enjoyed it as well, although I mainly read the LWN summary about it without watching it completely yet. Since then I wonder whether it might be good to replace the Ext4 for /home on the Intel SSD 320 in my ThinkPad T520 with Intel i5 Dualcore (+ HT) by XFS again. I didn´t use XFS initially specifically due to the lower metadata performance and due to that to my knowledge only Ext4 implements the rename-case workaround for delayed allocation. I will put various informations and a link to the lwn.net article regarding his presentation [1] - which I prefer over the Phoronix article the headline of the later appears lurid to me, well that appears to be Michael´s style, maybe he thinks he attracts more visitors this way - into my Linux performance analysis & tuning training. [1] XFS: the filesystem of the future?, https://lwn.net/Articles/476263/ (if not subscribed you need to wait till February 2, 2012) Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 2012-01-29 7:38 ` Martin Steigerwald @ 2012-01-30 0:47 ` Dave Chinner 2012-01-30 10:14 ` Stan Hoeppner 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Dave Chinner @ 2012-01-30 0:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Martin Steigerwald; +Cc: stan, xfs On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:38:52AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0NzM > > (I don't care for the Phoronix title or summary) > > > > I really enjoyed your presentation Dave. It's also nice to finally put > > a face and voice to a name. > > Yes, I enjoyed it as well, although I mainly read the LWN summary about it > without watching it completely yet. > > Since then I wonder whether it might be good to replace the Ext4 for /home > on the Intel SSD 320 in my ThinkPad T520 with Intel i5 Dualcore (+ HT) by > XFS again. I didn´t use XFS initially specifically due to the lower > metadata performance If ext4 works well enough for you, then there is no compelling reason to change to XFS. If it ain't broke..... > and due to that to my knowledge only Ext4 implements > the rename-case workaround for delayed allocation. I'm pretty sure ext4 copied all the "flush it faster" fixes to work around the zero-length files problem from XFS in the first place.... ;) > I will put various informations and a link to the lwn.net article > regarding his presentation [1] - which I prefer over the Phoronix article > the headline of the later appears lurid to me, well that appears to be > Michael´s style, maybe he thinks he attracts more visitors this way - into > my Linux performance analysis & tuning training. I can't say that I like the way Phoronix presented it, either, but that's Phoronix for you. Indeed, people even complain about it in the forums: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?68388-XFS-Developer-Takes-Shots-At-Btrfs-EXT4 The Phoronix forum has the usual trolls of "XFS zero's files when it crashes" and "XFS corrupted data back in 2000 so I'll never use it again" whenever XFS is mentioned. And it doesn't have the SNR of the LWN article comments, so it's not really a place worth visiting or caring that much about, IMO. > [1] XFS: the filesystem of the future?, https://lwn.net/Articles/476263/ > (if not subscribed you need to wait till February 2, 2012) It's been up for more than a week now, so I don't think Jon will mind if it post this link for everyone on the list to read now if they haven't already: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/476263/1d75cb4eb1af8868/ If you don't already subscribe to LWN, then getting early access to this sort of article is why you should subscribe. ;) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@fromorbit.com _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 2012-01-30 0:47 ` Dave Chinner @ 2012-01-30 10:14 ` Stan Hoeppner 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Stan Hoeppner @ 2012-01-30 10:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Chinner; +Cc: xfs On 1/29/2012 6:47 PM, Dave Chinner wrote: >> Am Sonntag, 29. Januar 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: >>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0NzM >>> (I don't care for the Phoronix title or summary) > I can't say that I like the way Phoronix presented it, either, but > that's Phoronix for you. Phoronix just happened to be the first/only place I'd found the video. I'd have preferred a different option for linking. Someone posted it on the Dovecot list. Phoronix is apparently geared toward the "power desktop" user. Interestingly, their last (if not all) Linux filesystem test was performed on an Intel Core 2 Duo laptop with 4GB RAM and a single SATA disk. Obviously an optimal real world platform for demonstrating XFS' "large and lots" strengths/advantages. /laughs http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2639_fs&num=1 -- Stan _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 2012-01-29 0:36 Dave's presentation at Linux.Conf.Au 2012 Stan Hoeppner 2012-01-29 7:38 ` Martin Steigerwald @ 2012-01-30 3:44 ` Dave Chinner 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Dave Chinner @ 2012-01-30 3:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stan Hoeppner; +Cc: xfs On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:36:46PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA0NzM > (I don't care for the Phoronix title or summary) > > I really enjoyed your presentation Dave. It's also nice to finally put > a face and voice to a name. BTW, presentation slides are now available from: http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_Papers_and_Documentation Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@fromorbit.com _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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