Re: A short digression on FOSS (Re: understanding speculative preallocation)

Michael L. Semon
2013-07-28T05:15:52Z

On 07/27/2013 05:00 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stan Hoeppner" <stan@hardwarefreak.com>
>
>> On 7/26/2013 2:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>>
>>> But to address your specific point, I don't believe that RH is going
>>> to
>>> base its opinion on what time its employees spend supporting the
>>> remainder
>>> of the FOSS ecosystem on whether the relevant distro was copied from
>>> theirs,
>>> or not -- and I will be disappointed, publicly, and vocally, if they
>>> do.
>>
>> On 7/26/2013 8:26 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
>
> In a message which, for some reason, I do not see here in my list folder;
> (it wasn't in my inbox either; this seems a running thing)
>
>>> Disclaimer: I'm the primary RHEL XFS developer, employed by Red Hat.
>>>
>>> CentOS is a rebadged RHEL product that is released for free. If you
>>> want bugs fixed in CentOS, then generally you are on your own. If
>>> you want paid support where people will fix problems you have, you
>>> need to pay for RHEL.
>>>
>>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> Jay, I'm awaiting your public and vocal disappointment. BTW, Dave has
>> stated this position regarding CentOS many times. I'm guessing you're
>> new to the XFS list (July 13 maybe) or simply missed such prior posts
>> if you've been lurking much longer.
>
> I am new to the list, yes. But -- and I can only reply to what you
> quoted here; apologies to DC if it's less than what he wrote -- I am
> in fact disappointed: in Dave for the strawman reply. No one, that I
> saw, *reported bugs or asked for support* with CentOS.
>
> The question -- and it was coming from someone who sounded like
> they had read their Raymond, Moen, and Tatham, was "how do I
> determine *which version of the XFS drivers* is in the kernel
> I'm running, so that I can helpfully report my problems to the list".
>
> If Dave thinks *that* question is out of bounds, then when I do my
> rotating reformat to recover from my recent power supply induced
> crash, XFS will not be the file system I pick off the pulldown menu
> to reformat with.
>
> As I've just had to explain to the openSUSE release configuration
> people over sysVinit and packaging, the policies of the developers
> underneath the code are *much* more important to me than the code
> is, or what the code does.
>
> If the implication of Dave's comment above is that he's not interested
> in bug reports from people who aren't paid customers of RH, I'm fine
> with that as well; his call. Clearly, I won't be one of those,
> either; my sister isn't interested in paying $1200/yr for the OS on
> her DVR.
>
> Perhaps I'm misinterpreting one of you.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra

Dave's always been perfectly nice to me and handled my bug reports
professionally, even though I use Slackware and not RHEL. Basically,
don't be a selfish, entitled, snobby jerk and then expect Dave to fix
something for you at no charge. For him to do so would be slavery, and
that is against the founding principles of free software.

Michael