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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	luto@kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] xfs: introduce XFS_DIFLAG2_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 16:57:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170804235740.GH24087@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170804234615.GG21024@dastard>

On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 09:46:15AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:33:12PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 07:28:30PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > Add an on-disk inode flag to record the state of the S_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE
> > > in-memory vfs inode flags. This allows the protections against reflink
> > > and hole punch to be automatically restored on a sub-sequent boot when
> > > the in-memory inode is established.
> > > 
> > > The FS_XFLAG_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE is introduced to allow xfs_io to read the
> > > state of the flag, but toggling the flag requires going through
> > > fallocate(FALLOC_FL_[UN]SEAL_BLOCK_MAP). Support for toggling this
> > > on-disk state is saved for a later patch.
> > > 
> > > Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
> > > Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
> > > Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
> > > Cc: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> > > Suggested-by: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
> > > Suggested-by: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
> > > ---
> > >  fs/xfs/libxfs/xfs_format.h |    5 ++++-
> > >  fs/xfs/xfs_inode.c         |    2 ++
> > >  fs/xfs/xfs_ioctl.c         |    1 +
> > >  fs/xfs/xfs_iops.c          |    8 +++++---
> > >  include/uapi/linux/fs.h    |    1 +
> > >  5 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/fs/xfs/libxfs/xfs_format.h b/fs/xfs/libxfs/xfs_format.h
> > > index d4d9bef20c3a..9e720e55776b 100644
> > > --- a/fs/xfs/libxfs/xfs_format.h
> > > +++ b/fs/xfs/libxfs/xfs_format.h
> > > @@ -1063,12 +1063,15 @@ static inline void xfs_dinode_put_rdev(struct xfs_dinode *dip, xfs_dev_t rdev)
> > >  #define XFS_DIFLAG2_DAX_BIT	0	/* use DAX for this inode */
> > >  #define XFS_DIFLAG2_REFLINK_BIT	1	/* file's blocks may be shared */
> > >  #define XFS_DIFLAG2_COWEXTSIZE_BIT   2  /* copy on write extent size hint */
> > > +#define XFS_DIFLAG2_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE_BIT 3 /* set S_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE for this inode */
> > 
> > So... the greedy part of my brain that doesn't want to give out flags2
> > bits has been wondering,
> 
> FWIW, I made di_flags2 a 64 bit value in the first place precisely
> so we didn't have a scarcity problem and can just give out flag
> bits for enabling new functionality like this...

Ok.  That's what I thought.

> > what if we just didn't have an on-disk
> > IOMAP_IMMUTABLE bit, and set FS_XFLAG based only on the in-core
> > S_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE bit?  If a program wants the immutable iomap
> > semantics, they will have to code some variant on the following:
> > 
> > fd = open(...);
> > ret = fallocate(fd, FALLOC_FL_SEAL_BLOCK_MAP, 0, len...)
> > if (ret) {
> > 	printf("couldn't seal block map");
> > 	close(fd);
> > 	return;
> > }
> > 
> > mmap(fd...);
> > /* do sensitive io operations here */
> > munmap(fd...);
> > 
> > close(fd);
> > 
> > Therefore the cost of not having the on-disk flag is that we'll have to
> > do more unshare/alloc/test/set cycles than we would if we could remember
> > the iomap-immutable state across unmounts and inode reclaiming.
> > However, if the data map is already ready to go, this shouldn't have a
> > lot of overhead since we only have to iterate the in-core extents.
> > 
> > Just trying to make sure we /need/ the inode flag bit. :)
> 
> IMO, fallocate() is for making permanent changes to file extents. If
> this is not going to be a permanent state change but only a
> runtime-while-the-inode-is-in-cache flag, then it's probably not the
> right interface to use.
> 
> This also seems problematic for applications other than DAX where
> the block map may be sealed, the fd closed and access handed off to
> another entity for remote storage access. If the inode gets
> reclaimed due to memory pressure, the system loses the fact that
> that the inode has been sealed. Hence another process can come
> along, re-read the inode and modify the block map because it hasn't
> been sealed in this new cache life cycle.....

<nod> Ok, I'm convinced. :)

--D

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> Dave Chinner
> david@fromorbit.com
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-04 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-04  2:28 [PATCH v2 0/5] fs, xfs: block map immutable files for dax, dma-to-storage, and swap Dan Williams
2017-08-04  2:28 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] fs, xfs: introduce S_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE Dan Williams
2017-08-04 20:00   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 20:31     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-05  9:47   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-07  0:25     ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-11 10:34       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-04  2:28 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] fs, xfs: introduce FALLOC_FL_SEAL_BLOCK_MAP Dan Williams
2017-08-04 19:46   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 19:52     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-04 23:31   ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-04 23:43     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-05  0:04       ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-04  2:28 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] fs, xfs: introduce FALLOC_FL_UNSEAL_BLOCK_MAP Dan Williams
2017-08-04 20:04   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 20:36     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-04  2:28 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] xfs: introduce XFS_DIFLAG2_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE Dan Williams
2017-08-04 20:33   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 20:45     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-04 23:46     ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-04 23:57       ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2017-08-04  2:28 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] xfs: toggle XFS_DIFLAG2_IOMAP_IMMUTABLE in response to fallocate Dan Williams
2017-08-04 20:14   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 20:47     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-04 20:53       ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-04 20:55         ` Dan Williams
2017-08-04  2:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] fs, xfs: block map immutable files for dax, dma-to-storage, and swap Dan Williams
2017-08-05  9:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-06 18:51     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-11 10:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-11 22:26         ` Dan Williams
2017-08-12  3:57           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-08-12  4:44             ` Dan Williams
2017-08-12  7:34             ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-12  7:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-12 19:19             ` Dan Williams
2017-08-13  9:24               ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-13 20:31                 ` Dan Williams
2017-08-14 12:40                   ` Jan Kara
2017-08-14 16:14                     ` Dan Williams
2017-08-15  8:37                       ` Jan Kara
2017-08-15 23:50                         ` Dan Williams
2017-08-16 13:57                           ` Jan Kara
2017-08-21  9:16                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-14 21:46                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-13 23:46                 ` Dave Chinner

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