From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
Cc: Alex Lyakas <alex@zadarastorage.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, libor.klepac@bcom.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: hold xfs_buf locked between shortform->leaf conversion and the addition of an attribute
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 10:55:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170810175548.GX24087@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170810145248.GE3777@bfoster.bfoster>
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 10:52:49AM -0400, Brian Foster wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 03:09:09PM +0300, Alex Lyakas wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the explanation. So it seems we cannot move forward with this
> > fix.
> >
>
> I don't think this completely invalidates the fix.. Dave is pointing out
> a flaw that the deferred ops infrastructure doesn't properly handle the
> technique we want to use here. IOW, it means there's a dependency that
> needs to be implemented first.
>
> FWIW, I also think this means that your approach on the older kernel to
> join/hold the buffer to the finished transaction may be the right
> approach (depending on whether I follow the perm transaction code
> correctly or not, see below), but I think you'd need to relog the buffer
> as well.
>
> > Will somebody else in XFS community be working on fixing this issue? As you
> > pointed out, it exists for over two decades. Our production systems hit this
> > every couple of days, and shutting down the filesystem causes outage.
> >
>
> I'm guessing the defer infrastructure needs to handle relogging a buffer
> similar to how it currently handles joining/relogging inodes..?
>
> ...
> > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Chinner
> ...
> > The problem is that the locked buffer is not joined and logged in
> > the rolling transactions run in xfs_defer_ops. Hence it can pin the
> > tail of the AIL, and this can prevent the transaction roll from
> > regranting the log space necessary to continue rolling the
> > transaction for the required number of transactions to complete the
> > deferred ops. If this happens, we end up with a log space deadlock.
> >
> > Hence if we are holding an item that we logged in a transaction
> > locked and we roll the transaction, we have to join, hold and log it
> > in each subsequent transaction until we have finished with the item
> > and can unlock and release it.
> >
> > This is documented in xfs_trans_roll():
> >
> > /*
> > * Reserve space in the log for th next transaction.
> > * This also pushes items in the "AIL", the list of logged items,
> > * out to disk if they are taking up space at the tail of the log
> > * that we want to use. This requires that either nothing be locked
> > * across this call, or that anything that is locked be logged in
> > * the prior and the next transactions.
> > */
> >
>
> Good catch, though I'm wondering whether it's a real enough problem atm
> to block this fix. A few thoughts/questions:
>
> 1.) The transaction in this case has a t_log_count of 3, presumably to
> cover the commits by the historical bmap_finish, the trans roll and the
> final commit. If I'm following the permanent transaction code correctly,
> doesn't that mean that we have room for at least 2 rolls (and 3 commits)
> before this task would actually block on log reservation? AFAICT it
> looks like the commit would dec ticket->t_cnt and replenish the current
> log reservation. The subsequent xfs_trans_reserve() would just return if
> t_cnt > 0.
>
> This of course doesn't accommodate the fact the xfs_defer_finish() can
> now roll a transaction an indeterminate number of times, which probably
> needs to be handled in general, but...
I'd been wondering if tr_logcount needed upward adjusting, but so far
haven't observed any problems.
> 2.) It doesn't look like we actually defer any ops in this situation
> unless rmapbt is enabled, assuming that we limit holding the buffer to
> the empty leaf case, at least (see my comment on the previous version).
> I also don't see where a deferred rmapbt update would itself ever roll
> the transaction.
rmapbt split causes the agfl to hit the low water mark and refresh,
requiring an allocation ... but I think that's all stuffed in the same
transaction. (So yeah I think I agree with you)
> 3.) The buffer in this case is a new allocation, which I think means the
> risk of it pinning the tail and causing a log deadlock here means that
> on top of somehow depleting the initial permanent reservation, we'd have
> to exhaust the log in the time between the first commit and the last
> reservation.
>
> Given the above, it seems reasonably safe enough to me to merge this
> change as is and fix up the deferred ops stuff after the fact
> (considering we know we need to rework the xattr stuff as such anyways).
> This is still a landmine that should be fixed up, but I wouldn't be
> against an ASSERT() or something for the time being if we could somehow
> verify that the transaction ticket didn't require any extra reservation.
>
> OTOH, just adding deferred ops buffer relogging might not be too much
> trouble either. ;) Anyways, thoughts?
I don't think it'd be difficult to add a _defer_bjoin operation that
maintains a list of buffers that we need to bhold across rolls.
I think xfs_buf->b_list is only used for delwri buffers, and a buffer
cannot be part of a transaction /and/ on a delwri list at the same time,
right? So it shouldn't be hard to whip something up and couple this
patch to that.
--D
>
> Brian
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> > --
> > Dave Chinner
> > david@fromorbit.com
> >
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-10 17:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-09 11:06 [PATCH] xfs: hold xfs_buf locked between shortform->leaf conversion and the addition of an attribute alex
2017-08-09 13:17 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-09 21:33 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-10 8:02 ` Alex Lyakas
2017-08-10 11:33 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-10 12:09 ` Alex Lyakas
2017-08-10 14:52 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-10 17:55 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2017-08-10 18:32 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-11 2:22 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-11 14:27 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-12 0:16 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-12 14:04 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-14 0:28 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-14 8:11 ` Alex Lyakas
2017-08-14 12:22 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-14 16:04 ` Alex Lyakas
2017-08-14 21:33 ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-22 9:12 ` Shyam Kaushik
2019-03-22 16:08 ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-25 13:49 ` Shyam Kaushik
2019-03-25 18:17 ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-27 16:03 ` Alex Lyakas
2019-03-27 20:46 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-28 11:26 ` Alex Lyakas
2017-08-17 20:38 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-17 22:31 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-18 11:39 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-18 15:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-18 2:04 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-18 11:42 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-11 2:09 ` Dave Chinner
2017-08-11 14:30 ` Brian Foster
2017-08-11 12:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-08-11 16:52 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-08-12 7:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-11-21 15:31 ` Libor Klepáč
2017-11-21 16:24 ` Brian Foster
2017-11-21 18:50 ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-30 17:55 ` Darrick J. Wong
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