From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
Cc: Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>,
xfs list <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: filefrag and reflink
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:09:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180719000924.GD4813@magnolia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <95a76bf0-bc38-c7fd-1cfc-46f069c57ed6@sandeen.net>
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 02:07:46PM -0700, Eric Sandeen wrote:
>
>
> On 7/18/18 1:47 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 01:27:40PM -0700, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/18/18 12:59 PM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 12:41:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> >>>> xfsprogs 4.17.0 mkfs with reflink=1
> >>>> kernel 4.17.6
> >>>>
> >>>> $ fallocate -l 1g tmp2
> >>>> $ cp --reflink tmp2 tmp3
> >>>> $ filefrag -v *
> >>>> Filesystem type is: 58465342
> >>>> File size of tmp2 is 1073741824 (262144 blocks of 4096 bytes)
> >>>> ext: logical_offset: physical_offset: length: expected: flags:
> >>>> 0: 0.. 130136: 24.. 130160: 130137: unwritten
> >>>> 1: 130137.. 260280: 131082.. 261225: 130144: 130161: unwritten
> >>>> 2: 260281.. 262143: 264714.. 266576: 1863: 261226:
> >>>> last,unwritten,eof
> >>>> tmp2: 3 extents found
> >>>> File size of tmp3 is 1073741824 (262144 blocks of 4096 bytes)
> >>>> tmp3: 0 extents found
> >>>> [chris@f28s xfs]$
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this expected? When I do it on Btrfs, I see identical information
> >>>> for the two files after reflink copy, with flags "unwritten,shared".
> >>>
> >>> Yes. xfs doesn't share unwritten extents; what would be the point?
> >>>
> >>> --D
> >>
> >> <materializes somewhere on a US western interstate>
> >>
> >> Seems a little weird that bare cp will create a written file full of
> >> zeros, while a cp --reflink will create a sparse file, though?
> >
> > Well see therein lies the problem. The documentation for cp states:
> >
> > "When --reflink[=always] is specified, perform a lightweight copy, where
> > the data blocks are copied only when modified."
> >
> > The lightest weight copy for a bunch of zeroes is a hole. That's the
> > interpretation I went with. :)
>
> OK, but surely the reflink syscall semantics have authority over this
> behavior, not one user of the syscall, right?
>
> Except, uh, did it ever get documented?
What, the ioctl?
http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/ioctl_ficlonerange.2.html
Not that having that helps; guess who wrote that documentation? :)
> > OTOH the "copied only when modified" language does sort of imply that
> > you'd share the unwritten extents and then COW them, but that involves
> > adding more machinery to _iomap_begin to copy-write over zeroes,
> > which seems pointless and would involve a format change since old
> > kernels wouldn't know to check for shared unwritten extents...
>
> Oh :(
>
> > ...and if your worry is about being able to write to tmp3 without
> > hitting ENOSPC then you'll have to fallocate + funshare the file
> > separately anyway.
>
> Unless you had some really weird app where you planned to write to
> mutually exclusive ranges of a reflinked fallocated file ... ;)
>
> TBH while the btrfs behavior does seem a little pointless it's at
> least very predictable and understandable.
>
> But, well, if XFS doesn't check for shared unwritten I guess there's
> nothing worth doing. Just thought it might be worth hashing out before
> it gets defaulted anyway...
<nod> I usually try to go for the simplest solution, design-wise...
--D
> -Eric
>
> > --D
> >
> >>
> >> -Eric
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-19 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-18 18:41 filefrag and reflink Chris Murphy
2018-07-18 19:59 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-07-18 20:27 ` Eric Sandeen
2018-07-18 20:47 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-07-18 21:07 ` Eric Sandeen
2018-07-19 0:09 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2018-07-19 11:45 ` Carlos Maiolino
2018-07-19 11:34 ` Carlos Maiolino
2018-07-19 14:39 ` Darrick J. Wong
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