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From: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
To: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Alex Lyakas <alex@zadara.com>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC-PATCH] xfs: do not update sunit/swidth in the superblock to match those provided during mount
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:07:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191125130752.GB44777@bfoster> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c807e9fb-3ad9-7110-fd5d-29b07a3d1c66@sandeen.net>

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 11:38:53AM -0600, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> On 11/24/19 10:40 AM, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 11:13:09AM +0200, Alex Lyakas wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> >>>> With the suggested patch, xfs repair is working properly also when mount-provided sunit/swidth are different.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, I am not sure whether this is the proper approach.
> >>>> Otherwise, should we not allow specifying different sunit/swidth
> >>>> during mount?
> > 
> > I propose a (somewhat) different solution to this problem:
> > 
> > Port to libxfs the code that determines where mkfs/repair expect the
> > root inode.  Whenever we want to update the geometry information in the
> > superblock from mount options, we can test the new ones to see if that
> > would cause sb_rootino to change.  If there's no change, we update
> > everything like we do now.  If it would change, either we run with those
> > parameters incore only (which I think is possible for su/sw?) or refuse
> > them (because corruption is bad).
> > 
> > This way we don't lose the su/sw updating behavior we have now, and we
> > also gain the ability to shut down an entire class of accidental sb
> > geometry corruptions.
> 

Indeed, I was thinking about something similar with regard to
validation. ISTM that we either need some form of runtime validation...

> I also wonder if we should be putting so much weight on the root inode
> location in repair, or if we could get away with other consistency checks
> to be sure it's legit, since we've always been able to move the
> "expected" Location.
> 

... or to fix xfs_repair. ;) Fixing the latter seems ideal to me, but
I'm not sure how involved that is compared to a runtime fix. Clearly the
existing repair check is not a sufficient corruption check on its own.
Perhaps we could validate the inode pointed to by the superblock in
general and if that survives, verify it looks like a root directory..?
The unexpected location thing could still be a (i.e. bad alignment)
warning, but that's probably a separate topic.

I'm not opposed to changing runtime behavior even with a repair fix,
fwiw. I wonder if conditionally updating the superblock is the right
behavior as it might be either too subtle for users or too disruptive if
some appliance out there happens to use a mount cycle to update su/sw.
Failing the mount seems preferable, but raises similar questions wrt to
changing behavior. Yes, it is corruption otherwise, but unless I'm
missing something it seems like a pretty rare corner case (e.g. how many
people change alignment like this? of those that do, how many ever run
xfs_repair?). To me, the ideal behavior is for mount options to always
dictate runtime behavior and for a separate admin tool or script to make
persistent changes (with associated validation) to the superblock.

Brian


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-25 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-21 18:08 [RFC-PATCH] xfs: do not update sunit/swidth in the superblock to match those provided during mount Alex Lyakas
2019-11-22 15:43 ` Brian Foster
2019-11-24  9:13   ` Alex Lyakas
2019-11-24 16:40     ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-11-24 17:38       ` Eric Sandeen
2019-11-25 13:07         ` Brian Foster [this message]
2019-11-26  8:50           ` Alex Lyakas
2019-11-25 13:07     ` Brian Foster
2019-11-26  8:49       ` Alex Lyakas
2019-11-26 11:54         ` Brian Foster
2019-11-26 13:37           ` Alex Lyakas
2019-11-26 16:53             ` Eric Sandeen
2019-11-27 14:19               ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-11-27 15:19                 ` Brian Foster
2019-11-30 20:28                 ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-01  9:00                   ` Alex Lyakas
2019-12-01 21:57                     ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-02  8:07                       ` Alex Lyakas
2019-12-01 23:29                     ` Dave Chinner

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