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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched, fair: Allow a per-cpu kthread waking a task to stack on the same CPU
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:38:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200129173852.GP14914@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200128091012.GZ3466@techsingularity.net>

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 09:10:12AM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> Peter, Ingo and Vincent -- I know the timing is bad due to the merge
> window but do you have any thoughts on allowing select_idle_sibling to
> stack a wakee task on the same CPU as a waker in this specific case?

I sort of see, but *groan*...

so if the kworker unlocks a contended mutex/rwsem/completion...

I suppose the fact that it limits it to tasks that were running on the
same CPU limits the impact if we do get it wrong.

Elsewhere you write:

> I would prefer the wakeup code did not have to signal that it's a
> synchronous wakeup. Sync wakeups so exist but callers got it wrong many
> times where stacking was allowed and then the waker did not go to sleep.
> While the chain of events are related, they are not related in a very
> obvious way. I think it's much safer to keep this as a scheduler
> heuristic instead of depending on callers to have sufficient knowledge
> of the scheduler implementation.

That is true; the existing WF_SYNC has caused many issues for maybe
being too strong.

But what if we create a new hint that combines both these ideas? Say
WF_COMPLETE and subject that to these same criteria. This way we can
eliminate wakeups from locks and such (they won't have this set).

Or am I just making things complicated again?

  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-29 17:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-27 14:36 [PATCH] sched, fair: Allow a per-cpu kthread waking a task to stack on the same CPU Mel Gorman
2020-01-27 22:32 ` Dave Chinner
2020-01-28  1:19   ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-28  9:10     ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-29 17:38       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2020-01-29 22:00         ` Dave Chinner
2020-01-30  0:50           ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-30  0:43         ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-30  8:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-01-30  8:55             ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-28 14:24   ` Mel Gorman
2020-01-28 22:21     ` Dave Chinner
2020-01-29 10:53       ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] <20200128100643.3016-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-01-28 10:32 ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] ` <20200128130837.11136-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-01-28 13:41   ` Mel Gorman

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