From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from verein.lst.de (verein.lst.de [213.95.11.211]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6F0C2F2D for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2025 06:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.95.11.211 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1736403165; cv=none; b=W0ouHdCd4hUjKJt70ytBmmoyd3BZ4n/TkeqXpiFOI4YeyMMtkNEdnMb8fMF/LXdVUwQbjY9glD7KWi4G5o68Sbd96uTYuQkDAm/sRPTBT1gcz+NsJ1NhbC0zqOt/7dailnymSGCT68YJ7GpVwJKnyRSlMEt2Cq9FLBNgfta8KoY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1736403165; c=relaxed/simple; bh=vtFERVkTMa4rUiy+c8SSugVChatXkxLtPwxjWi1sKww=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=cVtoL2r5jlA7ICXt4MjZBkV/1Fr2EuK1EYqhA01+Ib7Ke4wAQrv8yQZUdMQwgRD+SH/Cq92lYtf18TZ5T4VgvUZlmFB5hsX+mgerUhVyCM1Zzg8DtTL3nJAyr30HFTnLePy8U5sumkQ285eBmMFbr+H1oKUwQWoepDL48yVpil8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lst.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lst.de; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.95.11.211 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lst.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lst.de Received: by verein.lst.de (Postfix, from userid 2407) id DE7F668BFE; Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:12:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:12:38 +0100 From: Christoph Hellwig To: Andrey Albershteyn Cc: Christoph Hellwig , linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org, david@fromorbit.com, Andrey Albershteyn Subject: Re: [RFC] Directly mapped xattr data & fs-verity Message-ID: <20250109061238.GA16687@lst.de> References: <20241229133350.1192387-1-aalbersh@kernel.org> <20250106154212.GA27933@lst.de> <20250107165057.GA371@lst.de> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) On Wed, Jan 08, 2025 at 10:20:59AM +0100, Andrey Albershteyn wrote: > > Maybe we can used it for $HANDWAVE is not a good idea. > > > Hash based verification works poorly for mutable files, so we'd > > rather have a really good argument for that. > > hmm, why? Not sure I have an understanding of this You need a consistent point in time to verify with your hash to have a meaning. How do you define that point for a mutable file?