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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
	brauner@kernel.org, cem@kernel.org, dchinner@redhat.com,
	ritesh.list@gmail.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] iomap: Lift blocksize restriction on atomic writes
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2025 10:49:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250117184934.GI1611770@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250116065225.GA25695@lst.de>

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 07:52:25AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 03:57:26PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > Ok, let's do that then.  Just to be clear -- for any RWF_ATOMIC direct
> > write that's correctly aligned and targets a single mapping in the
> > correct state, we can build the untorn bio and submit it.  For
> > everything else, prealloc some post EOF blocks, write them there, and
> > exchange-range them.
> > 
> > Tricky questions: How do we avoid collisions between overlapping writes?
> > I guess we find a free file range at the top of the file that is long
> > enough to stage the write, and put it there?  And purge it later?
> > 
> > Also, does this imply that the maximum file size is less than the usual
> > 8EB?
> 
> I think literally using the exchrange code for anything but an
> initial prototype is a bad idea for the above reasons.  If we go
> beyond proving this is possible you'd want a version of exchrange
> where the exchange partners is not a file mapping, but a cow staging
> record.

The trouble is that the br_startoff attribute of cow staging mappings
aren't persisted on disk anywhere, which is why exchange-range can't
handle the cow fork.  You could open an O_TMPFILE and swap between the
two files, though that gets expensive per-io unless you're willing to
stash that temp file somewhere.

At this point I think we should slap the usual EXPERIMENTAL warning on
atomic writes through xfs and let John land the simplest multi-fsblock
untorn write support, which only handles the corner case where all the
stars are <cough> aligned; and then make an exchange-range prototype
and/or all the other forcealign stuff.

(Lifting in smaller pieces sounds a lot better than having John carry
around an increasingly large patchset...)

--D

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-17 18:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-04 15:43 [PATCH 0/4] large atomic writes for xfs John Garry
2024-12-04 15:43 ` [PATCH 1/4] iomap: Lift blocksize restriction on atomic writes John Garry
2024-12-04 20:35   ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-05  6:30     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-05 11:51       ` John Garry
2024-12-05 10:52     ` John Garry
2024-12-05 21:15       ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-06  9:43         ` John Garry
2024-12-12  1:34         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-14  4:41           ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-14 23:57             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-15  9:30               ` John Garry
2025-01-16  6:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-17 18:49                 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2025-01-22  6:42                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-22 10:45                     ` John Garry
2025-01-22 23:51                       ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-23  9:28                         ` John Garry
2025-01-17 10:26               ` John Garry
2025-01-17 18:29                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-20  8:29                   ` John Garry
2025-01-22 21:05               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-13 21:35         ` John Garry
2025-01-14  4:43           ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-04 15:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] xfs: Switch atomic write size check in xfs_file_write_iter() John Garry
2024-12-04 15:43 ` [PATCH 3/4] xfs: Add RT atomic write unit max to xfs_mount John Garry
2024-12-04 15:43 ` [PATCH 4/4] xfs: Update xfs_get_atomic_write_attr() for large atomic writes John Garry

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