From: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
brauner@kernel.org, dgc@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, cem@kernel.org,
axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, ritesh.list@gmail.com,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, gost.dev@samsung.com,
Anuj Gupta <anuj20.g@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: add write-stream management ioctls
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2026 15:05:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260819220526.GA6072@frogsfrogsfrogs> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260819070459.GA1541@lst.de>
On Wed, Aug 19, 2026 at 09:04:59AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2026 at 10:22:11AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > "The third argument is an untyped pointer to memory. It's traditionally
> > char *argp (from the days before void * was valid C), and will be so
> > named for this discussion."
>
> That documentation is wrong or at least very incomplete. A pointer
> is the typical use, but there are plenty of ioctls passing scalar
> values <= sizeof(long), going all the way back to early UNIX days.
>
> > You can also see this reflected in the discussion of the R/W/WR variants
> > of _IO:
> > https://docs.kernel.org/driver-api/ioctl.html
>
> _IO* are optional helpers, and plenty especially older ioctls are
> defined without using them.
Well, yeah, we don't force anyone to use the _IOR/_IOW/_IOWR helpers.
But since they were used here, I thought it worth pointing out.
> > Granted your kernel code can treat that argp as an integer and not a
> > __user pointer if it wants to, but that goes against most ioctl
> > implementations. Further, subsystems that marshal ioctl information for
> > passing through to another layer (e.g. fuse) assume that the third
> > argument is a pointer and that it can copy sizeof(data_type) bytes at
> > that address in and out of the kernel as part of marshalling.
>
> That is not a good assumption and things will break.
I know; fuse is a total mess w.r.t. ioctl handling because it assumes
that it can just go ahead and do the userspace accesses.
--D
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-19 22:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] xfs write streams Kanchan Joshi
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] fs: add write-stream management ioctls Kanchan Joshi
2026-07-21 3:03 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-07-30 14:52 ` Kanchan Joshi
2026-07-30 17:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-07-31 8:15 ` Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-19 22:05 ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2026-08-20 5:15 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-19 7:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-19 7:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] iomap: introduce and propagate write_stream Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] xfs: implement write-stream management support Kanchan Joshi
2026-07-21 3:08 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-07-31 8:03 ` Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-19 7:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-08-19 7:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] xfs: generic AG set based steering Kanchan Joshi
2026-07-21 3:20 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-07-24 14:57 ` Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] xfs: write stream based AG placement Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-07-17 12:55 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] xfs: introduce software write streams Kanchan Joshi
2026-08-19 7:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
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