From: "Chuck Lever" <cel@kernel.org>
To: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>, "Dave Chinner" <dgc@kernel.org>
Cc: "Ran Hongyun" <ranhongyun1@huawei.com>,
catherine.hoang@oracle.com, chandan.babu@oracle.com,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Zhihao Cheng" <chengzhihao1@huawei.com>,
yangerkun <yangerkun@huawei.com>,
yi.zhang@huawei.com, "Wangyang Guo" <wangyang.guo@intel.com>,
"Tim Chen" <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
"Lai Jiangshan" <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
"Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [QUESTION] xfs: Can we remove flush_workqueue from xlog_cil_push_now?
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2026 10:23:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <21557715-124e-40dc-a470-82904374fc44@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260902073556.GA27223@lst.de>
On Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 09:35:56AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 07:56:27AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > However, behavioural changes like this seem like an infrastructure
> > regression, and trying to modify callers to hide that regression is
> > a bandaid. This affects all UNBOUND workqueues, not just this one,
> > and we do not need per-cpu scheduling for workqueues with such low
> > work and concurrency counts - there can only be 4 pushs scheduled
> > and running concurrently at any time on this work queue. Hence we
> > don't even need NUMA queuing - a single global queue would work just
> > fine...
>
> Yeah, a lot of the recent workqueue changes had a lot of adverse effects.
> We really need to come up with a way to queue work to task context (or a
> different task context) that doesn't require reverse engineering "smart"
> behavior in the backend. This has become a never ending whack-a-mole
> unfortunately.
Agreed.
So, I've been chasing the other end of this trade-off. On the NFS client,
rpciod, nfsiod, and xprtiod see sustained completion traffic from many
CPUs, and with the default WQ_AFFN_CACHE_SHARD scope they lose a large
fraction of their cycles to the pool lock on enqueue and dequeue. The
fix there is a finer affinity scope (WQ_AFFN_SMT), so more pools and
fewer CPUs per lock:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-nfs/20260831-performance-v1-0-8d9fd9b67f96@kernel.org/
That is the converse of Ran's problem. flush_workqueue_prep_pwqs()
walks every pwq and takes the pool lock once per pool change along the
way, so a finer scope makes each flush take more locks, and a coarser
scope makes the producers contend more. The pwq walk itself is
per-CPU at every scope, which is the part no scope setting removes.
For Ran's immediate purpose, patch 5/8 of that series may be useful:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-nfs/20260831-performance-v1-5-8d9fd9b67f96@kernel.org/
It exports alloc_workqueue_attrs(), apply_workqueue_attrs(), and
free_workqueue_attrs(), so a module can set affn_scope on its own
workqueue after alloc_workqueue().
With that, xfs_cil could set WQ_AFFN_SYSTEM on xc_push_wq and get the
single global pool Dave describes, without touching the boot-time
default or relying on WQ_SYSFS, which XFS_WQFLAGS() adds only in
DEBUG builds. That would let Ran measure the flush cost against a
one-pool walk directly rather than through the per-NUMA proxy in the
table.
--
Chuck Lever (Come to NFS bake-a-thon! https://nfsv4bat.org)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-02 14:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-27 3:36 [QUESTION] xfs: Can we remove flush_workqueue from xlog_cil_push_now? Ran Hongyun
2026-08-30 21:56 ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-02 7:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-02 14:23 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2026-09-02 16:50 ` Tejun Heo
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