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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: ralf@theco.de
Cc: xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: 12x performance drop on md/linux+sw raid1 due to barriers [xfs]
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:19:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <499C9779.4000705@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090218230958.GA6506@theco.de>

Ralf Liebenow wrote:
> Hello !
> 
>> Correct ordering can be proven to be enough to provide transactional
>> correctness, enough to ensure that filesystems can not get corrupted
>> on power down.
> 
> Please beware that caching RAID controllers which are not battery
> backed and the harddisk (when write caching) may decide to 
> re-order writes to the disk, so the ordering imposed by the 
> operating system (filesystem driver) may not be retained. 
> This is usually done by harddisks and
> controllers to minimize seek times and thats what disk
> command queueing is good for. So ordering can only be retained
> if all external caching mechanism and command queueing are
> switched off. 

That's not necessarily true.

The only *requirement* for barriers is preservation of ordering.  It is
*implemented* today by cache flushing, because that's the best we can do
for now (as I understand it).

It is certainly possible that an IO could be flagged which tells the
drive that it may not rearrange the cache destaging across a barrier IO.
 It could cache at will, as long as the critical ordering is maintained.

http://www.t13.org/Documents/UploadedDocuments/docs2007/e07174r0-Write_Barrier_Command_Proposal.doc

So even though barriers are be implemented w/ cache flushes today, it
would be a mistake to rely on that implementation.  IOW, don't confuse
cache flushing w/ ordering requirements just because the ordering
problem is solved *today* with cache flushes.

-Eric

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-19  0:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-06 14:28 12x performance drop on md/linux+sw raid1 due to barriers [xfs] Justin Piszcz
2008-12-06 15:36 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-12-06 20:35   ` Redeeman
2008-12-13 12:54   ` Justin Piszcz
2008-12-13 17:26     ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-13 17:40       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-12-14  3:31         ` Redeeman
2008-12-14 14:02           ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-14 18:12             ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-14 22:02               ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-15 18:48                 ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-15 22:50                   ` Peter Grandi
2009-02-18 22:14                     ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-02-18 22:24                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-02-18 23:09                       ` Ralf Liebenow
2009-02-18 23:19                         ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2009-02-20 19:19                       ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-15 22:38                 ` Dave Chinner
2008-12-16  9:39                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-16 20:57                     ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-16 23:14                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-12-17 21:40                 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-12-18  8:20                   ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-12-18 23:33                     ` Bill Davidsen
2008-12-21 19:16                     ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-22 13:19                       ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-12-18 22:26                   ` Dave Chinner
2008-12-14 18:35             ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-14 17:49           ` Martin Steigerwald
2008-12-14 23:36         ` Dave Chinner
2008-12-14 23:55           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-12-13 18:01       ` David Lethe
2008-12-06 18:42 ` Peter Grandi
2008-12-11  0:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-12-11  9:18   ` Justin Piszcz
2008-12-11  9:24     ` Justin Piszcz
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2008-12-14 18:33 Martin Steigerwald

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