From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sgi.com (relay2.corp.sgi.com [137.38.102.29]) by oss.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DBA29DFD for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:35:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cuda.sgi.com (cuda1.sgi.com [192.48.157.11]) by relay2.corp.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4B6304051 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from greer.hardwarefreak.com (mo-65-41-216-221.sta.embarqhsd.net [65.41.216.221]) by cuda.sgi.com with ESMTP id FNAKDZDurUxkbkBs for ; Fri, 23 Aug 2013 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52181BF3.5050002@hardwarefreak.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 21:35:31 -0500 From: Stan Hoeppner MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Power loss and zero-length files References: <20130823152058.GR5262@sgi.com> <20130823154534.GM7153@sgi.com> <5217E2FA.1030008@hardwarefreak.com> <20130823225035.GQ7153@sgi.com> In-Reply-To: <20130823225035.GQ7153@sgi.com> Reply-To: stan@hardwarefreak.com List-Id: XFS Filesystem from SGI List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com Sender: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com To: Ben Myers Cc: Robert Widmer , xfs@oss.sgi.com On 8/23/2013 5:50 PM, Ben Myers wrote: > Hey Stan, > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 05:32:26PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 8/23/2013 10:45 AM, Ben Myers wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:27:19AM -0400, Robert Widmer wrote: >>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Ben Myers wrote: >> >>>> The person ran the script, unplugged the machine (instead of shutting >>>> it down like they were told), and boxed it up. >>> >>> lol ;) >> >> Yeah, that's pretty ignorant. Reminds me of this thread in March: >> >> http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2013-03/msg00152.html >> >> But "we" (IT industry) shot ourselves in the foot when we began using >> the word "appliance". No wonder then that some people literally treat >> them as such. > > On the other foot, it's probably not such an unreasonable expectation for > someone coming from a different background to expect that once it *looks* done > it actually *is* done. > > It's as if you were to take me scuba diving, or drag racing... I have zero > expertise and I'd probably be doing all the silly ignorant things too. > > Or... maybe the tech was just in a hurry and didn't think all the way through > the consequences. I've been there. ;) I think the problem in many of these cases is that the people using the hardware are not technicians, at least in the traditional sense. So when 'we' use the word appliance they treat the hardware like a TV or DVD player. With either, pulling the plug while it's running has no detrimental effect. The SCUBA and drag racing analogies don't really fit here as you're completely out of your element. And acquiring the skills to do either requires many weeks of training, time in the water or behind the wheel. "shutdown -h now " requires no training, but just reading one line on an instruction sheet and typing it in. ;) -- Stan _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@oss.sgi.com http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs