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From: Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Cc: xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] xfs: more patches for 3.13
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 19:16:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5282D2D3.3040601@sandeen.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131107015706.GM6188@dastard>

On 11/6/13, 7:57 PM, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 05:01:33PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 03:27:15PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> The following series follows up the recently committed series of
>>> patches for 3.13. The first two patches are the remaining
>>> uncommitted patches from the previous series.
>>>
>>> The next two patches are tracing patches, one for AIL manipulations
>>> and the other for AGF and AGI read operations. Both of these were
>>> written during recent debugging sessions, and both proved useful so
>>> should be added to the menagerie of tracepoints we already have
>>> avaialble.
>>>
>>> The final patch is the increasing of the inode cluster size for v5
>>> filesystems. I'd like to get this into v5 filesystems for 3.13 so we
>>> get wider exposure of it ASAP so we have more data available to be
>>> able to make informed decisions about how to bring this back to v4
>>> filesystems in a safe and controlled manner.
>>
>> Applied 3 and 4.  I still don't understand why the locking on patch 2 is
>> correct.  Seems like the readers of i_version hold different locks than we do
>> when we log the inode.  Maybe Christoph can help me with that.
> 
> Readers don't need to hold a spinlock, and many don't. The spinlock
> is only there to prevent concurrent updates from "losing" an update
> due to races.  All modifications to XFS inodes occur via
> transactions, inodes are locked exclusively in transactions and
> hence we will never lose i_version updates due to races. Hence we
> don't need the spinlock during the update, either.

I'm not completely convinced that readers don't need to.  What happens when
we read in the middle of an update?  Especially when a 32-bit box reads the
64-bit value in the middle of an update?

NFS is the only reader we care about (right?)

I see a several paths to i_version reads in nfs; so far I'm finding locked reads:

<2 callers of nfs_refresh_inode_locked>
	spin_lock(&inode->i_lock);
	nfs_refresh_inode_locked
		nfs_update_inode
			nfs_wcc_update_inode
				(... && inode->i_version == fattr->pre_change_attr)
		...
		if (inode->i_version != fattr->change_attr) {
		...
		nfs_check_inode_attributes
			(... && inode->i_version != fattr->change_attr)

---

update_changeattr
	spin_lock(&dir->i_lock);
	if (!cinfo->atomic || cinfo->before != dir->i_version)

---

nfs_post_op_update_inode_force_wcc
	 spin_lock(&inode->i_lock);
	 fattr->pre_change_attr = inode->i_version;

---

I haven't audited everything but do you have an example of an unlocked
reader (which is relevant to xfs)?

-Eric

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-13  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-01  4:27 [PATCH 0/5] xfs: more patches for 3.13 Dave Chinner
2013-11-01  4:27 ` [PATCH 1/5] xfs: xfs_remove deadlocks due to inverted AGF vs AGI lock ordering Dave Chinner
2013-11-01  4:27 ` [PATCH 2/5] xfs: open code inc_inode_iversion when logging an inode Dave Chinner
2013-11-05 16:41   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-18 21:54   ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-18 22:28     ` Ben Myers
2013-11-18 22:45       ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-01  4:27 ` [PATCH 3/5] xfs: trace AIL manipulations Dave Chinner
2013-11-05 16:41   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-01  4:27 ` [PATCH 4/5] xfs: add tracepoints to AGF/AGI read operations Dave Chinner
2013-11-05 16:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-01  4:27 ` [PATCH 5/5] xfs: increase inode cluster size for v5 filesystems Dave Chinner
2013-11-05 16:43   ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-05 19:56     ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-06 21:31       ` Ben Myers
2013-11-07  0:32         ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-12 17:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-11-08 18:21   ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-11 22:45     ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-12  0:24       ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-14 18:51   ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-06 23:01 ` [PATCH 0/5] xfs: more patches for 3.13 Ben Myers
2013-11-07  1:57   ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-13  1:16     ` Eric Sandeen [this message]
2013-11-14  1:16       ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-15 17:19         ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-15 17:55           ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-17 19:48             ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-18 21:52               ` Eric Sandeen
2013-11-18 20:30 ` Ben Myers

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