From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from relay.sgi.com (relay2.corp.sgi.com [137.38.102.29]) by oss.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940517F4E for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:54:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from estes.americas.sgi.com (estes.americas.sgi.com [128.162.236.10]) by relay2.corp.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728BC304048 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.162.232.11] (porter.americas.sgi.com [128.162.232.11]) by estes.americas.sgi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285947002C59 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:54:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <55FAF053.3020405@sgi.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:54:43 -0500 From: Troy McCorkell MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What's up with this list? References: <541AFB60.5030403@sgi.com> In-Reply-To: List-Id: XFS Filesystem from SGI List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6051257740127808453==" Errors-To: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com Sender: xfs-bounces@oss.sgi.com To: xfs@oss.sgi.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============6051257740127808453== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030908070607000202060700" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030908070607000202060700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 09/16/2015 07:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Content-ID: > > > El 2014-09-18 a las 10:33 -0500, Troy McCorkell escribió: >> On 09/18/2014 07:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Now an then I get messages like this: >> >> ++································· >> Your membership in the mailing list xfs has been disabled due to >> excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated >> 18-Sep-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list >> until >> you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more >> reminders like >> this before your membership in the list is deleted. >> >> To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this >> message >> (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation >> page at >> >> ... >> >> ·································++- >> >> >> Bounces? I'm subscribed to several mail lists, and this is the >> only one "complaining". And as I do not know >> what messages bounced, I can not investigate it. >> >> My guess is that those emails were clear and flagrant spam, and >> as such were rejected by my ISP. >> >> The mail list should refuse them on entry and not resend them >> to the listers. >> >> - -- Cheers, >> Carlos E. R. >> (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) >> >> Carlos, >> >> I will forward your email to the SGI IT group. > > Well, I got no further feedback, and the issue continues, a year later. > > As I see it, it goes like this: > > Spam is sent to the list. The list forwards it to subscribers. Some > mail servers, like my ISP, point blank refuse to accept what is > flagrant spam; not a doubt about it, it doesn't reach the spam folder. > That spam probably breaks a rule such as having no valid sender > domain, breaking SPF, something. I don't know for sure, because I can > not see the logs of my ISP. But the oss.sgi.com admin can, surely. > > > The problem for me is that this list server automatically unsubscribes > me, and I have to re-subscribe, posibly loosing interveening posts. > > > I suggest that the list server implements filters to remove those spam > mails on entry, instead of forwarding them. Alternatively, other mail > list servers send a probe email to the subscriber; if the probe > bounces, twice, then the subscription is temporarily disabled. But > they don't unsubscribe people because some "list" posts bounce, unless > it is excesive. > > > - -- Cheers > Carlos E. R. > > (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iF4EAREIAAYFAlX5ZmQACgkQja8UbcUWM1wcxQD7BUPP7V8jRho3G3H0Oz/ZqVVs > APLSE6oLIsGW/4GYn54A/0RiNx3Nd5gLhW8hYv6ljyNLqH26aUzYdiw3YO7c3mbb > =oF/M > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > xfs mailing list > xfs@oss.sgi.com > http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs > I'll chat with the SGI IT group again. Thanks, Troy --------------030908070607000202060700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 09/16/2015 07:53 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2014-09-18 a las 10:33 -0500, Troy McCorkell escribió:
On 09/18/2014 07:46 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

      Hi,

      Now an then I get messages like this:

      ++·································
      Your membership in the mailing list xfs has been disabled due to
      excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
      18-Sep-2014.  You will not get any more messages from this list until
      you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more reminders like
      this before your membership in the list is deleted.

      To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message
      (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at

      ...

      ·································++-


      Bounces? I'm subscribed to several mail lists, and this is the only one "complaining". And as I do not know
      what messages bounced, I can not investigate it.

      My guess is that those emails were clear and flagrant spam, and as such were rejected by my ISP.

      The mail list should refuse them on entry and not resend them to the listers.

      - -- Cheers,
             Carlos E. R.
             (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Carlos,

I will forward your email to the SGI IT group.

Well, I got no further feedback, and the issue continues, a year later.

As I see it, it goes like this:

Spam is sent to the list. The list forwards it to subscribers. Some mail servers, like my ISP, point blank refuse to accept what is flagrant spam; not a doubt about it, it doesn't reach the spam folder. That spam probably breaks a rule such as having no valid sender domain, breaking SPF, something. I don't know for sure, because I can not see the logs of my ISP. But the oss.sgi.com admin can, surely.


The problem for me is that this list server automatically unsubscribes me, and I have to re-subscribe, posibly loosing interveening posts.


I suggest that the list server implements filters to remove those spam mails on entry, instead of forwarding them. Alternatively, other mail list servers send a probe email to the subscriber; if the probe bounces, twice, then the subscription is temporarily disabled. But they don't unsubscribe people because some "list" posts bounce, unless it is excesive.


- -- Cheers
       Carlos E. R.

       (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
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I'll chat with the SGI IT group again.

Thanks,
Troy
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