From: Baokun Li <libaokun@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, jaegeuk@kernel.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
hch@lst.de, djwong@kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
berto@igalia.com, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, jack@suse.cz,
yi.zhang@huawei.com, ojaswin@linux.ibm.com,
ritesh.list@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] block, ext4: allow encryption with a block size larger than the page size
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2026 00:30:39 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <625e5190-d43e-4a2b-9296-da15c52d1a9a@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261015185325.GG2170687@google.com>
Hi Eric, Thank you for your feedback!
On 2026/10/16 02:53, Eric Biggers wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 01:09:45AM +0800, Baokun Li wrote:
>> Motivation
>> ==========
>>
>> ext4 supports a block size larger than the page size (LBS), e.g. a 32k
>> block size on a machine with 4k pages [1]. Encryption, however, is
>> still refused on such a filesystem: file contents used to be encrypted
>> page by page in the fs-layer path, which cannot handle a folio that
>> covers several data units, so the checks that refuse encryption with
>> such a block size stayed in place.
>>
>> Since commit 5acc6f649a68 ("fscrypt: Always use blk-crypto for
>> contents on block-based filesystems") file contents are always
>> encrypted through blk-crypto. Inline encryption hardware can already
>> en/decrypt a data unit that spans several pages, but the fallback and
>> the block layer cannot carry such a data unit:
>>
>> 1. blk-crypto-fallback en/decrypts a data unit with the bio_vecs of
>> a single page-clamped segment, so a larger data unit fails with
>> BLK_STS_INVAL;
>> 2. the block layer requires every bio_vec of an encrypted bio to be
>> data unit aligned, and splits such a bio without rounding the
>> split size down to the data unit size;
>> 3. iomap cuts the direct I/O bios of an encrypted file only at the
>> logical block size of the device, so a bio can end in the middle
>> of a data unit.
>>
>> This series adds the missing pieces on all three layers, removes the
>> refusals, and enables large folios for encrypted files on the way.
>>
>> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251121090654.631996-1-libaokun@huaweicloud.com
> A high-level question: most of the complexity in this series is to
> support crypto_data_unit_size > PAGE_SIZE, despite the actual goal being
> to support fs_block_size > PAGE_SIZE. It's left unstated that the
> default of crypto_data_unit_size == fs_block_size is used. However,
> ext4 and f2fs already support crypto_data_unit_size < fs_block_size.
>
> Would leaving the crypto_data_unit_size at e.g. 4 KiB while increasing
> fs_block_size be a simpler way to achieve the goal of this series?
I initially followed the LBS approach of lifting the page-size
restriction, keeping the existing default crypto_data_unit_size
equal to fs_block_size. I had not considered using sub-block DUs.
After your reply, I implemented a variant using min(bs, PS) for
new default v2 policies, recording a smaller DU explicitly on disk.
This avoids patches 3-6 and the per-bvec alignment relaxation in
patch 10, and is indeed much simpler.
Both variants retain large-folio support and showed similar gains,
about twice their respective 4K-block controls. Although 32K DUs reduced
decryption calls eightfold, I did not observe a consistent additional
throughput benefit, or CPU savings at matched bandwidth, in the tested
workloads.
> Or do you feel that would be incomplete, and you'd indeed like to
> support crypto_data_unit_size = fs_block_size > PAGE_SIZE?
However, keeping DU = bs has a compatibility advantage for existing
encrypted filesystems.
For example, a 64K-block filesystem created with a default v2 policy
on a 64K-page machine uses 64K DUs. Supporting DU > PAGE_SIZE would
allow a 4K-page machine to use that format without re-encryption,
assuming the other policy and backend requirements are met.
This also covers otherwise-supported legacy v1 policies, which cannot
encode smaller DUs.
Explicit 4K v2 DUs can also be portable across page sizes, but
choosing a smaller DU for new files does not make existing large-DU
ciphertext readable on a smaller-page machine. I have not yet tested
the cross-page-size migration.
If you think supporting DU = bs > PS makes this series too broad,
I can use the simpler sub-block version in the next revision and
develop larger-DU support separately.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
Thanks,
Baokun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-22 16:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-11 17:09 [PATCH 00/13] block, ext4: allow encryption with a block size larger than the page size Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 01/13] ext4: refuse encryption when block size > " Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 02/13] ext4: reject encrypted inodes " Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 03/13] blk-crypto: reject fallback data unit sizes it can't handle Baokun Li
[not found] ` <sashiko-outbox-167341@kernel.org>
2026-10-12 7:50 ` Baokun Li
2026-10-15 18:45 ` Eric Biggers
2026-10-22 12:51 ` Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 04/13] blk-crypto: decrypt one data unit per crypto request Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 05/13] blk-crypto: encrypt " Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 06/13] blk-crypto: support data units larger than a page Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 07/13] iomap: align the direct I/O bios of encrypted files to the block size Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 08/13] block: split encrypted bios at data unit boundaries Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 09/13] block: warn about bios that can't be split Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 10/13] block: don't require data unit aligned bio_vecs for encrypted bios Baokun Li
[not found] ` <sashiko-outbox-167346@kernel.org>
2026-10-12 8:09 ` Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 11/13] ext4: allow encryption with a block size larger than the page size Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 12/13] ext4: send folios that cover a wraparound to the buffer_head path Baokun Li
2026-10-11 17:09 ` [PATCH 13/13] ext4: allow large folios for encrypted files Baokun Li
2026-10-15 18:53 ` [PATCH 00/13] block, ext4: allow encryption with a block size larger than the page size Eric Biggers
2026-10-22 16:30 ` Baokun Li [this message]
2026-10-22 22:04 ` Eric Biggers
2026-10-22 23:51 ` Baokun Li
2026-10-22 23:51 ` Andreas Dilger
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