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From: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@163.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	djwong@kernel.org, cem@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 12:40:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7dd3e6e2-0f85-4db3-a10b-0ef910889e12@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxiMiLkie03QA9ca_3ARzwg7rm31UFBo6THdVUDvr0u6fw@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/01/2025 10:07, Amir Goldstein wrote:
>> Please note that IOCB_ATOMIC is not supported for buffered IO, so we
>> can't do this - we only support direct IO today.
> Oops. I see now.
> 
>> And supporting buffered IO has its challenges; how to handle overlapping
>> atomic writes of differing sizes sitting in the page cache is the main
>> issue which comes to mind.
>>
> How about the combination of RWF_ATOMIC | RWF_UNCACHED [1]
> Would it be easier/possible to support this considering that the write of folio
> is started before the write system call returns?

I am not sure exactly what you are proposing. Is it that RWF_ATOMIC for 
buffered IO auto-sets RWF_UNCACHED? Or that RWF_ATOMIC requires 
RWF_UNCACHED to be set?

But that is not so important, as I just think that future users of 
RWF_ATOMIC may not want the behavior of RWF_UNCACHED always (for 
buffered IO).

And I don't think that RWF_UNCACHED even properly solves the issues of 
RWF_ATOMIC for buffered IO in terms of handling overlapping atomic 
writes in the page cache.

Thanks,
John

> 
> Note that application that desires mutithreaded atomicity of writes vs. reads
> will only need to opt-in for RWF_ATOMIC | RWF_UNCACHED writes, so this
> is not expected to actually break its performance by killing the read caching.
> 
> Thanks,
> Amir.
> 
> [1]https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lore.kernel.org/linux- 
> fsdevel/20241220154831.1086649-1-axboe@kernel.dk/__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ! 
> J7_5N_kSixl5iSy8IX37Cup3uKTHAaC5Oy-RlvsJeTE2kr3iJ2IXNww_rApK7TwI_ocCBSE- 
> G2vZSKSRHqY$ 


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-09 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-26  6:16 [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Chi Zhiling
2024-12-26 21:50 ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-28  7:37   ` Chi Zhiling
2024-12-28 22:17     ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-30  2:42       ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-07 12:13         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-07 17:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08  7:43           ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-08 11:33             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 11:45               ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 12:15               ` John Garry
2025-01-09 10:07                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:40                   ` John Garry [this message]
2025-01-09  8:37               ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 10:25                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:10                   ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 12:25                     ` John Garry
2025-01-08 17:35             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-09 23:28               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-10  1:31                 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-10 17:07                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-12 10:05                   ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13  2:44                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-13  5:59                       ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 13:40                       ` Brian Foster
2025-01-13 16:19                         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-15  5:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-15 21:41                           ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16  4:36                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-17 22:20                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 14:23                             ` Brian Foster
2025-01-17 13:27                             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-17 22:19                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-18 13:03                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-20  5:11                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-22  6:08                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-22 23:35                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-17 16:12                             ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-24  7:57                             ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-27 20:49                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-28  5:15                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-28 21:23                                   ` David Laight
2025-01-29  0:59                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-29  5:20                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-10  1:44                                 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-14  0:09                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-25  8:43           ` Jinliang Zheng
2025-01-25 14:14             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-20 14:03   ` Jinliang Zheng
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-25  0:10 [QUESTION] Long read latencies on mixed rw buffered IO Dave Chinner
2025-06-20 13:46 ` [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Jinliang Zheng

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