From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@163.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
cem@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@kylinos.cn>,
John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:15:41 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5hn_cRb_cLzHX4Z@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5fxTdXq3PtwEY7G@dread.disaster.area>
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 07:49:17AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > As for why an exclusive lock is needed for append writes, it's because
> > we don't want the EOF to be modified during the append write.
>
> We don't care if the EOF moves during the append write at the
> filesystem level. We set kiocb->ki_pos = i_size_read() from
> generic_write_checks() under shared locking, and if we then race
> with another extending append write there are two cases:
>
> 1. the other task has already extended i_size; or
> 2. we have two IOs at the same offset (i.e. at i_size).
>
> In either case, we don't need exclusive locking for the IO because
> the worst thing that happens is that two IOs hit the same file
> offset. IOWs, it has always been left up to the application
> serialise RWF_APPEND writes on XFS, not the filesystem.
I disagree. O_APPEND (RWF_APPEND is just the Linux-specific
per-I/O version of that) is extensively used for things like
multi-thread loggers where you have multiple threads doing O_APPEND
writes to a single log file, and they expect to not lose data
that way. The fact that we currently don't do that for O_DIRECT
is a bug, which is just papered over that barely anyone uses
O_DIRECT | O_APPEND as that's not a very natural use case for
most applications (in fact NFS got away with never allowing it
at all). But extending racy O_APPEND to buffered writes would
break a lot of applications.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-28 5:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-26 6:16 [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Chi Zhiling
2024-12-26 21:50 ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-28 7:37 ` Chi Zhiling
2024-12-28 22:17 ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-30 2:42 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-07 12:13 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-07 17:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 7:43 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-08 11:33 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 11:45 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 12:15 ` John Garry
2025-01-09 10:07 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:40 ` John Garry
2025-01-09 8:37 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 10:25 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:10 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 12:25 ` John Garry
2025-01-08 17:35 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-09 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-10 1:31 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-10 17:07 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-12 10:05 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 2:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-13 5:59 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 13:40 ` Brian Foster
2025-01-13 16:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-15 5:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-15 21:41 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 4:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-17 22:20 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 14:23 ` Brian Foster
2025-01-17 13:27 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-17 22:19 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-18 13:03 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-20 5:11 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-22 6:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-22 23:35 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-17 16:12 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-24 7:57 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-27 20:49 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-28 5:15 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-01-28 21:23 ` David Laight
2025-01-29 0:59 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-29 5:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-10 1:44 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-14 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-25 8:43 ` Jinliang Zheng
2025-01-25 14:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-20 14:03 ` Jinliang Zheng
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-25 0:10 [QUESTION] Long read latencies on mixed rw buffered IO Dave Chinner
2025-06-20 13:46 ` [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Jinliang Zheng
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