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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@163.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	cem@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@kylinos.cn>,
	John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2025 21:15:41 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5hn_cRb_cLzHX4Z@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5fxTdXq3PtwEY7G@dread.disaster.area>

On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 07:49:17AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > As for why an exclusive lock is needed for append writes, it's because
> > we don't want the EOF to be modified during the append write.
> 
> We don't care if the EOF moves during the append write at the
> filesystem level. We set kiocb->ki_pos = i_size_read() from
> generic_write_checks() under shared locking, and if we then race
> with another extending append write there are two cases:
> 
> 	1. the other task has already extended i_size; or
> 	2. we have two IOs at the same offset (i.e. at i_size).
> 
> In either case, we don't need exclusive locking for the IO because
> the worst thing that happens is that two IOs hit the same file
> offset. IOWs, it has always been left up to the application
> serialise RWF_APPEND writes on XFS, not the filesystem.

I disagree.  O_APPEND (RWF_APPEND is just the Linux-specific
per-I/O version of that) is extensively used for things like
multi-thread loggers where you have multiple threads doing O_APPEND
writes to a single log file, and they expect to not lose data
that way.  The fact that we currently don't do that for O_DIRECT
is a bug, which is just papered over that barely anyone uses
O_DIRECT | O_APPEND as that's not a very natural use case for
most applications (in fact NFS got away with never allowing it
at all).  But extending racy O_APPEND to buffered writes would
break a lot of applications.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-28  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-26  6:16 [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Chi Zhiling
2024-12-26 21:50 ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-28  7:37   ` Chi Zhiling
2024-12-28 22:17     ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-30  2:42       ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-07 12:13         ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-07 17:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08  7:43           ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-08 11:33             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 11:45               ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 12:15               ` John Garry
2025-01-09 10:07                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:40                   ` John Garry
2025-01-09  8:37               ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 10:25                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:10                   ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 12:25                     ` John Garry
2025-01-08 17:35             ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-09 23:28               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-10  1:31                 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-10 17:07                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-12 10:05                   ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13  2:44                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-13  5:59                       ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 13:40                       ` Brian Foster
2025-01-13 16:19                         ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-15  5:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-15 21:41                           ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16  4:36                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-17 22:20                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 14:23                             ` Brian Foster
2025-01-17 13:27                             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-17 22:19                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-18 13:03                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-20  5:11                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-22  6:08                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-22 23:35                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-17 16:12                             ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-24  7:57                             ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-27 20:49                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-28  5:15                                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-01-28 21:23                                   ` David Laight
2025-01-29  0:59                                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-29  5:20                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-10  1:44                                 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-14  0:09                   ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-25  8:43           ` Jinliang Zheng
2025-01-25 14:14             ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-20 14:03   ` Jinliang Zheng
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-03-25  0:10 [QUESTION] Long read latencies on mixed rw buffered IO Dave Chinner
2025-06-20 13:46 ` [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read Jinliang Zheng

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