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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@samsung.com>,
	Pankaj Raghav <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	gost.dev@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mkfs: use stx_blksize for dev block size by default
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 20:10:04 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z61wnFLUGz6d_WSh@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <323gt6bngrysa3i6nzgih6golhs3wovawnn5chjcrkegajinw7@fxdjlji5xbxb>

On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 11:04:06AM +0100, Daniel Gomez wrote:
> > > performance in the stx_blksize field of the statx data structure. This
> > > change updates the current default 4 KiB block size for all devices
> > > reporting a minimum I/O larger than 4 KiB, opting instead to query for
> > > its advertised minimum I/O value in the statx data struct.
> > 
> > UUuh, no.  Larger block sizes have their use cases, but this will
> > regress performance for a lot (most?) common setups.  A lot of
> > device report fairly high values there, but say increasing the
> 
> Are these devices reporting the correct value?

Who defines what "correct" means to start with?

> As I mentioned in my
> discussion with Darrick, matching the minimum_io_size with the "fs
> fundamental blocksize" actually allows to avoid RMW operations (when
> using the default path in mkfs.xfs and the value reported is within
> boundaries).

At least for buffered I/O it does not remove RMW operations at all,
it just moves them up.

And for plenty devices the min_io size might be set to larger than
LBA size, but the device is still reasonably efficient at handling
smaller I/O (e.g. because it has power loss protection and stages
writes in powerfail protected memory).

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-13  4:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-06 19:00 [PATCH] mkfs: use stx_blksize for dev block size by default da.gomez
2025-02-06 22:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-06 22:50   ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-02-06 23:07     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07  9:12     ` Daniel Gomez
2025-02-07 19:16       ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-02-07  9:39   ` Daniel Gomez
2025-02-07 19:26   ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-02-07 19:31     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-02-07 19:44       ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-02-07  4:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-07 10:04   ` Daniel Gomez
2025-02-13  4:10     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2025-02-13 13:26       ` Daniel Gomez
2025-02-18  8:30         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-05-09 14:27           ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-05-13  5:33             ` Christoph Hellwig

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