From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, david@fromorbit.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] xfs: stabilize the tolower function used for ascii-ci dir hash computation
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 23:12:56 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZC0RaOeTFtCxFfhx@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230404183214.GG109974@frogsfrogsfrogs>
On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 11:32:14AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> Yeah, I get that. Fifteen years ago, Barry Naujok and Christoph merged
> this weird ascii-ci feature for XFS that purportedly does ... something.
> It clearly only works properly if you force userspace to use latin1,
> which is totally nuts in 2023 given that the distros default to UTF8
> and likely don't test anything else. It probably wasn't even a good
> idea in *2008*, but it went in anyway. Nobody tested this feature,
> metadump breaks with this feature enabled, but as maintainer I get to
> maintain these poorly designed half baked projects.
IIRC the idea was that it should do 7-bit ASCII only, so even accepting
Latin 1 characters seems like a bug compared to what it was documented
to do.
> I wouldn't ever enable this feature on any computer I use, and I think
> the unicode case-insensitive stuff that's been put in to ext4 and f2fs
> lately are not a tarpit that I ever want to visit in XFS. Directory
> names should be sequences of bytes that don't include nulls or slashes,
> end of story.
That works fine if all you care is classic Linux / Unix users. And
while I'd prefer if all the world was like that, the utf8 based CI
has real use cases. Initially mostly for Samba file serving, but
apparently Wine also really benefits from it, so some people have CI
directories for that. XFS ignoring this means we are missing out on
those usrers.
The irony is all the utf8 infrastruture was developed for XFS use
by SGI, never made it upstream back then and got picked up for ext4.
And while it is objectively horrible, plugging into this actually
working infrastructure would be the right thing for XFS instead
of the whacky ASCII only mode only done as a stepping stone while
the utf8 infrastructure got finished.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-04-05 6:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-04-04 17:07 [PATCHSET 0/3] xfs: fix ascii-ci problems with userspace Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 17:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] xfs: stabilize the tolower function used for ascii-ci dir hash computation Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 18:32 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 18:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 23:30 ` Dave Chinner
2023-04-05 0:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-05 6:12 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2023-04-05 15:40 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-05 15:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-05 17:10 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-05 10:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-05 15:30 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-05 15:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 17:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] xfs: test the ascii case-insensitive hash Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 18:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 20:51 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 21:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-05 6:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-04 17:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] xfs: use the directory name hash function for dir scrubbing Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 17:17 ` [PATCHSET 0/3] xfs: fix ascii-ci problems with userspace Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 20:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 21:00 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-04-04 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-04 21:09 ` [PATCH] xfstests: add a couple more tests for ascii-ci problems Darrick J. Wong
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