From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: hch@lst.de, chandanbabu@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] xfs: don't treat append-only files as having preallocations
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 16:03:53 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZmqLyfdH5KGzSYDY@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <171821431777.3202459.4876836906447539030.stgit@frogsfrogsfrogs>
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 10:46:48AM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
>
> The XFS XFS_DIFLAG_APPEND maps to the VFS S_APPEND flag, which forbids
> writes that don't append at the current EOF.
>
> But the commit originally adding XFS_DIFLAG_APPEND support (commit
> a23321e766d in xfs xfs-import repository) also checked it to skip
> releasing speculative preallocations, which doesn't make any sense.
I disagree, there was a very good reason for this behaviour:
preventing append-only log files from getting excessively fragmented
because speculative prealloc would get removed on close().
i.e. applications that slowly log messages to append only files
with the pattern open(O_APPEND); write(a single line to the log);
close(); caused worst case file fragmentation because the close()
always removed the speculative prealloc beyond EOF.
The fix for this pessimisitic XFS behaviour is for the application
to use chattr +A (like they would for ext3/4) hence triggering the
existence of XFS_DIFLAG_APPEND and that avoided the removal
speculative delalloc removed when the file is closed. hence the
fragmentation problems went away.
Note that fragmentation issue didn't affect the log writes - it
badly affected log reads because it turned them into worse case
random read workloads instead of sequential reads.
As such, I think the justification for this change is wrong and that
it removes a longstanding feature that prevents severe fragmentation
of append only log files. I think we should be leaving this code as
it currently stands.
-Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-13 6:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-12 17:46 [PATCHSET] xfs: random fixes for 6.10 Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-12 17:46 ` [PATCH 1/5] xfs: don't treat append-only files as having preallocations Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-13 6:03 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-06-13 8:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-17 5:03 ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-17 6:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-17 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-12 17:47 ` [PATCH 2/5] xfs: fix freeing speculative preallocations for preallocated files Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-12 17:47 ` [PATCH 3/5] xfs: restrict when we try to align cow fork delalloc to cowextsz hints Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-13 5:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-14 4:13 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-14 4:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-14 5:27 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-14 5:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-12 17:47 ` [PATCH 4/5] xfs: allow unlinked symlinks and dirs with zero size Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-13 4:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-12 17:47 ` [PATCH 5/5] xfs: verify buffer, inode, and dquot items every tx commit Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-13 5:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-13 7:04 ` Dave Chinner
2024-06-14 3:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-14 4:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-14 5:23 ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-18 0:18 ` [PATCH v1.1 " Darrick J. Wong
2024-06-18 6:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
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