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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Long Li <leo.lilong@huawei.com>,
	brauner@kernel.org, djwong@kernel.org, cem@kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, yi.zhang@huawei.com,
	houtao1@huawei.com, yangerkun@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] iomap: fix zero padding data issue in concurrent append writes
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 21:49:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zz7J6SwSRVQrGNMH@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zz3pNTDwYImhuAkV@bfoster>

On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 08:50:45AM -0500, Brian Foster wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 01:05:16AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 09:26:45AM -0500, Brian Foster wrote:
> > > IOW following the train of thought in the other subthread, would any
> > > practical workload be affected if we just trimmed io_size when needed by
> > > i_size and left it at that?
> > 
> > Can you explain what you mean with that? 
> > 
> 
> I mean what happens if we trimmed io_size just as this patch already
> does, but left off the rounding stuff?

Ah.

> 
> The rounding is only used for adding to or attempting to merge ioends. I
> don't see when it would ever really make a difference in adding folios
> to an ioend, since we don't writeback folios beyond i_size and a size
> extending operation is unlikely to write back between the time an ioend
> is being constructed/trimmed and submitted.

True.

> After discussion, it seems there are some scenarios where the rounding
> allows i_size trimmed ioends to merge, but again I'm not seeing how that
> can occur frequently enough such that just skipping the rounding and
> letting trimmed ioends fail to merge would have any noticeable
> performance impact.

Agreed.

> But anyways, I think we've reached compromise that pulling the rounding
> helper into buffered-io.c and documenting it well preserves logic and
> addresses my concerns by making sure it doesn't proliferate for the time
> being.

I mean if we can do away without the rounding I'm fine with it.

Looking at fs/iomap/buffered-io.c I think we should be fine with
it, and in XFS everything but the size updaste itself converts to
FSBs first, so it should be fine as well.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-21  5:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-13  9:19 [PATCH v2 1/2] iomap: fix zero padding data issue in concurrent append writes Long Li
2024-11-13  9:19 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] xfs: clean up xfs_end_ioend() to reuse local variables Long Li
2024-11-18  6:57   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-13  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iomap: fix zero padding data issue in concurrent append writes Carlos Maiolino
2024-11-13 11:38   ` Long Li
2024-11-13 12:56     ` Carlos Maiolino
2024-11-13 16:13 ` Brian Foster
2024-11-14  2:34   ` Long Li
2024-11-14 18:04     ` Brian Foster
2024-11-14 20:01       ` Dave Chinner
2024-11-15 14:03         ` Brian Foster
2024-11-15 11:53       ` Long Li
2024-11-15 13:46         ` Brian Foster
2024-11-19  1:35           ` Long Li
2024-11-18  6:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-18 14:26     ` Brian Foster
2024-11-20  9:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-11-20 13:50         ` Brian Foster
2024-11-21  5:49           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-11-19  8:35     ` Long Li
2024-11-19 12:13       ` Brian Foster
2024-11-19 13:46         ` Long Li

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