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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	willy@infradead.org, dlemoal@kernel.org, hans.holmberg@wdc.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 19:23:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aPCrc5GvQRkwmTOU@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251016043958.GC29905@lst.de>

On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 06:39:58AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2025 at 07:49:20AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 03:27:15PM +0900, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > The relatively low minimal writeback size of 4MiB leads means that
> > > written back inodes on rotational media are switched a lot.  Besides
> > > introducing additional seeks, this also can lead to extreme file
> > > fragmentation on zoned devices when a lot of files are cached relative
> > > to the available writeback bandwidth.
> > > 
> > > Add a superblock field that allows the file system to override the
> > > default size.
> > 
> > Hmmm - won't changing this for the zoned rtdev also change behaviour
> > for writeback on the data device?  i.e. upping the minimum for the
> > normal data device on XFS will mean writeback bandwidth sharing is a
> > lot less "fair" and higher latency when we have a mix of different
> > file sizes than it currently is...
> 
> In theory it is.  In practice with a zoned file system the main device
> is:
> 
>   a) typically only used for metadata
>   b) a fast SSD when not actually on the same device
> 
> So I think these concerns are valid, but not really worth replacing the
> simple superblock field with a method to query the value.  But I'll write
> a comment documenting these assumptions as that is useful for future
> readers of the code.

That sounds reasonable to me. Eventually we might want to explore
per-device BDIs, but for the moment documenting the trade-off being
made is good enough.

-Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-16  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-15  6:27 allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 1/3] writeback: cleanup writeback_chunk_size Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:05   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15 15:48   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-20  9:34   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:09   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15  7:27     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15 15:13   ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-10-16  4:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15 15:57   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-16  4:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15 20:49   ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-16  4:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-16  8:23       ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2025-10-15  6:27 ` [PATCH 3/3] xfs: set s_min_writeback_pages for zoned file systems Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-15  7:10   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-10-15 16:01   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-15  7:11 ` allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size Damien Le Moal
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-10-17  3:45 allow file systems to increase the minimum writeback chunk size v2 Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-17  3:45 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: allow the file system to override MIN_WRITEBACK_PAGES Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-17 12:32   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-17 15:45   ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-10-20  9:35   ` Jan Kara
2025-10-24 14:33   ` Nirjhar Roy (IBM)
2025-10-24 15:12     ` Christoph Hellwig

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