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From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Eryu Guan <eguan@redhat.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	fstests@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:19:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x49a81xeakx.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4iNcnq9sJVLeju-3Ua+XYfTscOb9iiWDS5yB768WJTOXQ@mail.gmail.com> (Dan Williams's message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:24:10 -0700")

Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:

> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 05:28:39PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>>> > /me shrugs
>>> >
>>> > I just don't like the concept of using tracepoints to as a
>>> > definitive diagnostic test for something working because it'll break
>>> > when the kernel implementation and tracepoints change. So while we
>>> > can probe for perf being present, we can't probe whether the
>>> > tracepoint we need behaves as the test expects it to...
>>>
>>> That concern makes sense.
>>>
>>> We handle that it a crude way in the libnvdimm unit tests by hard
>>> coding a required minimum kernel version and rolling a test forward to
>>> depend on a new kernel when assumptions about the kernel-internals
>>> change. The tests also inject out-of-tree kernel modules that let us
>>> go after specific kernel internal behavior. With this approach we
>>> don't end up creating userspace ABI since the test explicitly loads
>>> out-of-tree modules.
>>
>> That's horrible. OT, but how are distros or anyone backporting
>> libnvdimm fixes and features supposed to test their kernels work
>> correctly with such a test harness?
>
> The upstream kernel version for the test to assume can be overridden
> by an environment variable. It has worked well so far for me when I'm
> using it it to test backports, but I don't have much in the way of
> third-party feedback.

It sucks.  :-)  What we really want is to depend on a feature being
available, not on a kernel version.  We did discuss this a while ago.
Let me go dig it up...
  https://lists.01.org/pipermail/linux-nvdimm/2017-March/009253.html

We never came to any real conclusion on a good way forward, though.

Cheers,
Jeff

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-14 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-07 21:08 [PATCH 0/2] xfs: some DAX fixes Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] xfs: always use DAX if mount option is used Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08  7:20   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 15:28     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 21:21       ` [PATCH] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:16         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:37           ` Dan Williams
2017-09-11 20:01             ` [fstests PATCH v2] " Ross Zwisler
2017-09-14  6:57               ` Eryu Guan
2017-09-15 22:42                 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-16 22:26                   ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-12  6:44         ` [PATCH] " Dave Chinner
2017-09-12 15:38           ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-12 23:47             ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 14:42               ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-13 22:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 22:23                   ` Dan Williams
2017-09-13 23:34                     ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14  0:28                       ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14  0:40                         ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14  1:24                           ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14 12:19                             ` Jeff Moyer [this message]
2017-09-14 13:16                               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-14 14:10                                 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-15  9:18                                   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-15 17:39                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-09-18  7:47                                       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 2/2] xfs: validate bdev support for DAX inode flag Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08  7:21   ` Christoph Hellwig

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