From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Eryu Guan <eguan@redhat.com>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
fstests@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:19:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <x49a81xeakx.fsf@segfault.boston.devel.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4iNcnq9sJVLeju-3Ua+XYfTscOb9iiWDS5yB768WJTOXQ@mail.gmail.com> (Dan Williams's message of "Wed, 13 Sep 2017 18:24:10 -0700")
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 05:28:39PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
>>> > /me shrugs
>>> >
>>> > I just don't like the concept of using tracepoints to as a
>>> > definitive diagnostic test for something working because it'll break
>>> > when the kernel implementation and tracepoints change. So while we
>>> > can probe for perf being present, we can't probe whether the
>>> > tracepoint we need behaves as the test expects it to...
>>>
>>> That concern makes sense.
>>>
>>> We handle that it a crude way in the libnvdimm unit tests by hard
>>> coding a required minimum kernel version and rolling a test forward to
>>> depend on a new kernel when assumptions about the kernel-internals
>>> change. The tests also inject out-of-tree kernel modules that let us
>>> go after specific kernel internal behavior. With this approach we
>>> don't end up creating userspace ABI since the test explicitly loads
>>> out-of-tree modules.
>>
>> That's horrible. OT, but how are distros or anyone backporting
>> libnvdimm fixes and features supposed to test their kernels work
>> correctly with such a test harness?
>
> The upstream kernel version for the test to assume can be overridden
> by an environment variable. It has worked well so far for me when I'm
> using it it to test backports, but I don't have much in the way of
> third-party feedback.
It sucks. :-) What we really want is to depend on a feature being
available, not on a kernel version. We did discuss this a while ago.
Let me go dig it up...
https://lists.01.org/pipermail/linux-nvdimm/2017-March/009253.html
We never came to any real conclusion on a good way forward, though.
Cheers,
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-14 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-07 21:08 [PATCH 0/2] xfs: some DAX fixes Ross Zwisler
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] xfs: always use DAX if mount option is used Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 7:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-09-08 15:28 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 21:21 ` [PATCH] xfs: add regression test for DAX mount option usage Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:16 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-11 15:37 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-11 20:01 ` [fstests PATCH v2] " Ross Zwisler
2017-09-14 6:57 ` Eryu Guan
2017-09-15 22:42 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-16 22:26 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-12 6:44 ` [PATCH] " Dave Chinner
2017-09-12 15:38 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-12 23:47 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 14:42 ` Ross Zwisler
2017-09-13 22:01 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-13 22:23 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-13 23:34 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14 0:28 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14 0:40 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-14 1:24 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-14 12:19 ` Jeff Moyer [this message]
2017-09-14 13:16 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-14 14:10 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-15 9:18 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-15 17:39 ` Dan Williams
2017-09-18 7:47 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-09-07 21:08 ` [PATCH 2/2] xfs: validate bdev support for DAX inode flag Ross Zwisler
2017-09-08 7:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
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