Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] long live LFSMMBPF

Chris Mason
2020-03-06T19:27:55Z

On 6 Mar 2020, at 9:35, Josef Bacik wrote:
>
> Many people have suggested this elsewhere, but I think we really need
> to seriously consider it. Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers
> conference. We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without
> having to deal with all of the above problems.

I think James and Ted have covered pretty well why Plumbers isn’t a
great fit, but I agree with the overall idea.

>
> 1) The invitation process. This goes away. The people/companies that
> want to discuss things with the rest of us can all get to plumbers the
> normal way. We get new blood that we may miss through the invitation
> process because they can simply register for Plumbers on their own.
>

Lsfmmmbop has always been most useful when focused on smaller and
tighter sessions that aren’t well suited to open audiences. I think
the BPF and MM sessions are generally really happy with their size and
level of discussion, while the FS one would benefit from a larger crowd
split up by project. This is much easier to do if we’re attached to a
bigger conference, where the plenary sessions are available to the whole
conf and the breakout sessions are smaller and completely project
focused.

I think we’ve outgrown the original name, but I’d still call it
something, we’ll need rooms and t-shirts and maybe a group event that
we need to fund.

> 2) Presentations. We can have track miniconfs where we still curate
> talks, but there could be much less of them and we could just use the
> time to do what LSFMMBPF was meant to do, put us all in a room so we
> can hack on things together.

Agree here, although kernel recipes is a great example of a conf people
visit for the presentations.

>
> 3) BOFs. Now all of the xfs/btrfs/ext4 guys can show up, because
> again they don't have to worry about some invitation process, and now
> real meetings can happen between people that really want to talk to
> each other face to face.
>
> 4) Planning becomes much simpler. I've organized miniconf's at
> plumbers before, it is far simpler than LSFMMBPF. You only have to
> worry about one thing, is this presentation useful. I no longer have
> to worry about am I inviting the right people, do we have enough money
> to cover the space. Is there enough space for everybody? Etc.

We’ve talked about working closely with KS, Plumbers and the
Linuxfoundation to make a big picture map of the content and frequency
for these confs. I’m sure Angela is having a busy few weeks, but lets
work with her to schedule this and talk it through. OSS is a good fit
in terms of being flexible enough to fit us in, hopefully we can make
that work.

-chris