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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Adrian Cox <adrian@humboldt.co.uk>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: Worst case performance of up()
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 22:15:51 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1165058151.22108.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1165055754.4380.15.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 10:35 +0000, Adrian Cox wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 21:02 +0000, Adrian Cox wrote:
> > On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 07:45 +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 16:21 +0000, Adrian Cox wrote:
> > > > Does anybody have any ideas what could make up() take so long in this
> > > > circumstance? I'd expect cache transfers to make the operation about 100
> > > > times slower, but this looks like repeated cache ping-pong between the
> > > > two CPUs.
> > > 
> > > Is it hung in up() (toplevel) or __up (low level) ?
> > 
> > Not yet proven.
> 
> By using a scope, I have further data: the system is hung in this line
> of resched_task() in kernel/sched.c:
> 	set_tsk_thread_flag(p, TIF_NEED_RESCHED);
> 
> During this time, there is a great deal of ARTRY activity on the bus.
> The sequence ends when the other CPU takes a timer tick.
> 
> I'll need to track down what the other CPU is doing at this point, but
> my current hypothesis is that it's somewhere in schedule().
> 
> > > Have you tried some oprofile runs to catch the exact instruction where
> > > the cycles appear to be wasted ?
> 
> Oprofile turned out to break the error condition, by increasing the
> interrupt rate on each CPU.  In the end a combination of lockmeter and
> an oscilloscope did the trick.

I think we are hitting a livelock due to both CPUs trying to perform an
atomic operation on the same cache line (or same variable even).

I would expect that to work more smoothly but it looks like we can hit
a work case scenario...

Can you remind me what CPU this on precisely ? I know that for some
CPUs like 970's, Apple code has some weirdo workarounds around atomic
ops involving forcing a mispredict when the stwcx. fails ... but if both
CPUs are following the exact same pattern, I can't see another way out
but an interrupt, unless something in the bus protocol can prevent such
livelocks...

Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-02 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-24 16:21 Worst case performance of up() Adrian Cox
2006-11-24 20:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-11-27 21:02   ` Adrian Cox
2006-12-02 10:35     ` Adrian Cox
2006-12-02 11:15       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2006-12-02 11:54         ` Adrian Cox
2006-12-02 20:52           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-04 13:43             ` Adrian Cox
2006-12-04 20:25               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-05 22:00                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-08  2:33                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-12-08  3:10                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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