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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Brad Boyer <flar@allandria.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:54:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1175648051.10567.61.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070403221002.GA13210@cynthia.pants.nu>

On Tue, 2007-04-03 at 15:10 -0700, Brad Boyer wrote:
> I suppose my opinion on this shows that I didn't come from the x86
> side of Linux.

Perhaps, yes -- if you were just an x86 user you'd be unlikely to care
about the issue at all -- mostly because it's never been a problem
there. Not for the reason you imply, but just because the additional
types of serial port you encounter on an x86 machine have always got it
_right_, and had separate names and device numbers rather than abusing
major 64 and 'ttyS%d'.

>  The breakdown on this argument seems to have always
> been that the x86 people wanted 8250 to own ttyS* and most others
> wanted it shared.

But why? There's nothing special and magical about the number 64 and the
letters 't' 't' 'y' and 'S'. And if you have broken software which only
works with ttyS[0123] then you can still create device nodes or symlinks
to work around that.

If you're on a platform where 8250 serial ports _cannot_ exist, then
abusing the 8250 driver's numbers would perhaps be workable, if a little
strange -- but 8250 ports are ubiquitous. You can attach them to just
about anything, of any architecture, that Linux runs on. Except perhaps
S390.

Yes, it would be theoretically possible to come up with a way to share
minor numbers so we can use 'ttyS0' for the first serial port regardless
of what type of port it is. We could take the arch-specific hack that
SPARC has and try to move it to generic code. But what's the point?

-- 
dwmw2

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04  0:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-03 14:25 [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 20:37 ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-03 22:58   ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 23:14 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-03 23:28   ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 21:29     ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-03 23:57       ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]         ` <200704032210 02.GA13210@cynthia.pants.nu>
2007-04-03 22:10         ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-04  0:54           ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2007-04-03 23:09             ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-04  1:38               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  2:10               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-04-04  1:57                 ` David Lang
2007-04-04  8:51               ` Russell King
2007-04-04  9:48                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04 16:09                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 16:22               ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04 16:34                 ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04 17:38                   ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04  1:16             ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:28               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:07                 ` David Lang
2007-04-04  1:44                   ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:23                     ` David Lang
2007-04-04  1:32                       ` David Lang
2007-04-04 16:07                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 17:50                       ` Linas Vepstas
2007-04-04  1:50                     ` David Miller
2007-04-04 11:14                       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04 12:20                         ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-04  1:48                   ` David Miller
2007-04-04  3:07                 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-04-11 16:30                   ` Benny Amorsen
2007-04-12 15:34                     ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-13  2:45                       ` Gerhard Mack
2007-04-13  2:24                         ` David Lang
2007-04-13  8:09                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04  0:02         ` David Miller
2007-04-04  0:12           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 22:14             ` Brad Boyer
2007-04-04  1:13             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  1:17               ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:32                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  0:01       ` [PATCH v2] " David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  1:25       ` [PATCH] " Alan Cox
2007-04-04  4:20         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04  5:19           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  5:50             ` David Miller
2007-04-04  7:04               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04 13:43                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2007-04-04  7:52               ` Russell King
2007-04-04  8:41                 ` David Miller
2007-04-04  5:53             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04  6:03               ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-04  6:31                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 14:19                   ` [PATCH v3] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers; optionally David Woodhouse
2007-04-04 23:48                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05 12:45                       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 22:53                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05 22:59                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 14:31                     ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 14:47                       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 15:09                         ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 15:18                           ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05 15:49                             ` Atsushi Nemoto
2007-04-05 15:56                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-04-04  8:12                 ` [PATCH] Stop pmac_zilog from abusing 8250's device numbers David Miller
2007-04-04  8:38                   ` Russell King
2007-04-04  8:43                     ` David Miller
2007-04-04  9:00                       ` Russell King
2007-04-04 19:58                         ` David Miller
2007-04-04 12:21                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-04 16:10                       ` Russell King
2007-04-04 16:16                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 16:25                         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04 17:41                         ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-04 18:15                           ` Russell King
2007-04-04 19:50                             ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-05  6:05                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-05  8:50                                 ` Russell King
2007-04-05 16:15                             ` Olivier Galibert
2007-04-05 21:41                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-03 23:56     ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:13       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-04-04  6:58     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 14:16       ` David Woodhouse
2007-04-03 23:55   ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:19     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:21       ` David Miller
2007-04-04  1:36         ` Alan Cox
2007-04-04  1:47           ` David Miller
2007-04-04  7:47         ` Russell King
2007-04-04  9:55           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-04 16:06             ` Russell King
2007-04-04  6:58     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-14 11:49   ` Olaf Hering
2007-08-14 11:53     ` David Woodhouse
2007-08-14 16:24       ` Olaf Hering
2007-04-04  7:55 ` Olaf Hering

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