From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:17:29 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1192749449.7367.51.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710181549330.26902@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 15:52 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> >
> > The barrier would guarantee that ioc->active (and in fact the write to
> > the chip too above) are globally visible
>
> No, it doesn't really guarantee that.
>
> The thing is, there is no such thing as "globally visible".
>
> There is a "ordering of visibility wrt CPU's", but it's not global, it's
> quite potentially per-CPU. So a barrier on one CPU doesn't guarantee
> anything at all without a barrier on the *other* CPU.
>
> That said, the interrupt handling itself contains various barriers on the
> CPU's that receive interrupts, thanks to the spinlocking. But I do agree
> with Herbert that adding a "smb_mb()" is certainly in no way "obviously
> correct", because it doesn't talk about what the other side does wrt
> barriers and that word in memory.
I agree and you can see that in fact, we don't have enough barrier on
the other side since spin_unlock doesn't prevent subsequent loads from
crossing a previous store...
I wonder if that's worth trying to address, adding a barrier in
handle_IRQ_event for example, or we can continue ignoring the barrier
and let some drivers do their own fixes in fancy ways.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-18 23:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-18 1:25 [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 1:45 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-18 1:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 2:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18 2:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 2:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 14:56 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 22:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 22:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18 23:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2007-10-18 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18 23:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19 2:32 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 2:52 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19 3:28 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 4:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19 2:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 3:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 4:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19 4:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19 5:53 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 4:20 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 4:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19 4:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19 4:48 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 4:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-21 21:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-23 3:26 ` [IRQ]: Fix synchronize_irq races with IRQ handler Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 5:36 ` [NET]: Fix possible dev_deactivate race condition Herbert Xu
2007-10-19 5:38 ` David Miller
2007-10-19 7:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-19 9:29 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 14:35 ` [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 2:02 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20 2:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 3:10 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20 4:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 4:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 4:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 3:37 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-20 3:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 4:24 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20 5:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 5:36 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20 5:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20 6:06 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20 6:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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