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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Trent Piepho <tpiepho@freescale.com>
Cc: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:00:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211378410.8297.192.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0805201425250.7453@t2.domain.actdsltmp>


> Depends on what you define as "necessary".  It's seem clear that I/O accessors
> _no not_ need to be strictly ordered with respect to normal memory accesses,
> by what's defined in memory-barriers.txt.  So if by "necessary" you mean what
> the Linux standard for I/O accessors requires (and what other archs provide),
> then yes, they have the necessary ordering guarantees.
> 
> But, if you want them to be strictly ordered w.r.t to normal memory, that's
> not the case.

They should be.

> For example, in something like:
> 
> u32 *dmabuf = kmalloc(...);
> ...
> dmabuf[0] = 1;
> out_be32(&regs->dmactl, DMA_SEND_BUFFER);
> dmabuf[0] = 2;
> out_be32(&regs->dmactl, DMA_SEND_BUFFER);
> 
> gcc might decide to optimize this code to:
> 
> out_be32(&regs->dmactl, DMA_SEND_BUFFER);
> out_be32(&regs->dmactl, DMA_SEND_BUFFER);
> dmabuf[0] = 2;

If that's the case, there is a bug. Ignoring gcc possible optimisations,
the accessors contain the necessary memory barriers for things to work
the way you describe above. If the use of volatile and clobber in our
macros isn't enough to also prevent optimisations, then we have a bug
and you are welcome to provide a patch to fix it.

> gcc will often not do this optimization, because there might be aliasing
> between "&regs->dmact" and "dmabuf", but it _can_ do it.  gcc can't optimize
> the two identical out_be32's into one, or re-order them if they were to
> different registers, but it can move the normal memory accesses around them.

The linus kernel -cannot- be compiled with strict aliasing rules. This
is one of the many areas where those are violated. Frankly, this strict
aliasing stuff is just a total nightmare turning a pefectly nice and
useable language into something it's not meant to be.

> Here's a quick hack I stuck in a driver to test.  compile with -save-temps and
> check the resulting asm.  gcc will do the optimization I described above.
> 
> static void __iomem *baz = (void*)0x1234;
> static struct bar {
>      u32 bar[256];
> } bar;
> 
> void foo(void) {
>      bar.bar[0] = 44;
>      out_be32(baz+100, 200);
>      bar.bar[0] = 45;
>      out_be32(baz+101, 201);
> }

Have you removed -fno-strict-aliasing ? Just don't do that.

Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-21 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 20:40 [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 21:38   ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:02     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:21       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:15     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 22:35       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:39         ` David Miller
2008-05-20 22:43           ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:53             ` David Miller
2008-05-23  4:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-22 22:56                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-23 12:36                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering (Was: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 12:50                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 21:14                       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-23 22:47                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:33                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:40                     ` David Miller
2008-05-27  2:15                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  2:28                         ` David Miller
2008-05-27  3:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33                                 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:42                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28  8:36                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05                                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30  1:13                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:07                                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  7:24                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  8:27                                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  9:22                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02  8:11                                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48                                                       ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03  7:46                                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29  7:10                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02  7:24                                       ` Russell King
2008-06-03  4:16                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:32                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  6:48                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:53                                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03  7:18                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 19:57                                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58                                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:00                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04  2:05                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:46                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10  6:56                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41                                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10                                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11  3:29                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:40                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11  4:06                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  4:18                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:00                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  5:13                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:35                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  6:02                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14                                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11  5:20                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04  2:19                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44                                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:25                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  6:39                                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  3:42                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  4:08                             ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27  4:20                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  7:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:50                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37                                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17                                         ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23                                         ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01                                       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30  9:36                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31  7:57                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:53                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30  9:39                                           ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30  9:48                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31  8:14                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  9:48                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30  3:56                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31  7:52                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02  9:56                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02                                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  4:33                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:15                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  8:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:45                                                 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05  8:40                                               ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05  8:43                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13  0:07                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31  8:04                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27  8:24                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 22:55         ` [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:00     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-05-21 19:44       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 20:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 22:11   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:47     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 23:14       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21  8:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 23:48           ` [PATCH V2] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_[bl]eXX() " Trent Piepho

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