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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tpiepho@freescale.com, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
	scottwood@freescale.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:08:50 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211872130.3286.64.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080526204233.75b71bb8@infradead.org>


> ... and try to find a way to test for it at runtime or compile time.
> 
> either via sparse or some fancy lockdep like "device store" thing?
> If we can't test for it and it doesn't show up on x86 ... it'll just be
> an eterrnal chase.

It's hard. I haven't managed to come up with a good idea on how
to test for it either at runtime or from sparse.

There -might- be way to test up to a certain point with sparse
by defining a __coherent attribute for coherent memory and trying
to figure out patterns like write to __coherent followed by MMIO
with no barrier in between but that's fishy and won't catch many
cases.

Sticking barriers in the accessors is thus indeed the "easy" and
somewhat safe fix and keeping everything as ordered as possible

Though it's my understanding that at least ia64 does require the
explicit barriers anyway, so we are still in a dodgy situation here
where it's not clear what drivers should do and we end up with
possibly excessive barriers on powerpc where I end up with both
the wmb/rmb/mb that were added for ia64 -and- the ones I have in
readl/writel to make them look synchronous... Not nice.

I'm not sure there is a good answer...

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-27  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 20:40 [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 21:38   ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:02     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:21       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:15     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 22:35       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:39         ` David Miller
2008-05-20 22:43           ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:53             ` David Miller
2008-05-23  4:24               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-22 22:56                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-23 12:36                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering (Was: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 12:50                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 21:14                       ` Scott Wood
2008-05-23 22:47                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:33                   ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  1:40                     ` David Miller
2008-05-27  2:15                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  2:28                         ` David Miller
2008-05-27  3:39                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33                                 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:42                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28  8:36                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05                                           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30  1:13                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:07                                             ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  7:24                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  8:27                                                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30  9:22                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02  8:11                                                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48                                                       ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03  7:46                                                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29  7:10                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02  7:24                                       ` Russell King
2008-06-03  4:16                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  4:32                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:11                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  6:48                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03  6:53                                               ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03  7:18                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 19:57                                                 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58                                                     ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:00                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04  2:05                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  2:46                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10  6:56                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41                                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10                                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05                                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11  3:29                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  3:40                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11  4:06                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  4:18                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:00                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  5:13                                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11  5:35                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11  6:02                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14                                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11  5:20                                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04  2:19                                             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43                                           ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44                                               ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04  2:25                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  6:39                                                   ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27  3:42                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  4:08                             ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27  4:20                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27  7:08                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-05-27 15:50                               ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37                                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53                                     ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17                                         ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23                                         ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29                                           ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33                                   ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47                                     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01                                       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30  9:36                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31  7:57                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:53                                             ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30  9:39                                           ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30  9:48                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31  8:14                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  9:48                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06                                       ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25                                         ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30  3:56                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31  7:52                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02  9:56                                         ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02                                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  4:33                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:15                                             ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03  8:19                                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03  8:45                                                 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05  8:40                                               ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05  8:43                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13  0:07                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31  8:04                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27  8:24                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 22:55         ` [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:01           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:00     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-21 19:44       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 20:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 22:11   ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:47     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 23:14       ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21  8:03         ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-21 20:25           ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 23:48           ` [PATCH V2] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_[bl]eXX() " Trent Piepho

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