From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tpiepho@freescale.com, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
scottwood@freescale.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:38:55 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1211924335.3286.89.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0805271421570.2958@woody.linux-foundation.org>
> So practically speaking, I suspect that the right approach is to just say
> "ok, x86 will continue to be pretty darn ordered, and the barriers won't
> really matter (*)" but at the same time also saying "we wish reality was
> different, and well-maintained drivers should probably try to work in the
> presense of re-ordering".
Ok, well, I'll slap "memory" clobbers onto powerpc accessors, we made
them fully ordered a while ago anyway. The extra barriers in drivers
like USB etc.. won't hurt us much, we can always fine tune drivers that
really want high performances.
A problem with __raw_ though is that they -also- don't do byteswap,
which is a pain in the neck as people use them for either one reason
(relaxed ordering) or the other (no byteswap) without always knowing the
consequences of doing so...
I'm happy to say that __raw is purely about ordering and make them
byteswap on powerpc tho (ie, make them little endian like the non-raw
counterpart).
Some archs started providing writel_be etc... I added those to powerpc a
little while ago, and I tend to prefer that approach for the byteswap
issue.
What do you think ?
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-27 21:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-20 20:40 [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 21:38 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:21 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:15 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 22:35 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:39 ` David Miller
2008-05-20 22:43 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-20 22:53 ` David Miller
2008-05-23 4:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-22 22:56 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-23 12:36 ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering (Was: [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 12:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-23 21:14 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-23 22:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 1:33 ` MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 1:40 ` David Miller
2008-05-27 2:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 2:28 ` David Miller
2008-05-27 3:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 16:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-02 10:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-02 21:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 18:23 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 18:33 ` Scott Wood
2008-05-27 21:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 21:53 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 22:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2008-05-27 21:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-27 22:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-28 8:36 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-29 11:05 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2008-05-30 1:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 6:07 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30 7:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 8:27 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-05-30 9:22 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-02 8:11 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-02 15:48 ` Scott Wood
2008-06-03 7:46 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2008-06-04 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 21:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-27 22:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 7:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-29 10:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-06-02 7:24 ` Russell King
2008-06-03 4:16 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 4:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03 6:11 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 6:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-03 6:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-03 7:18 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 14:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-03 18:47 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 18:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 19:57 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:58 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04 2:00 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 2:05 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04 2:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-04 11:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-06-10 6:56 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-10 17:41 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-10 18:10 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-10 19:05 ` Roland Dreier
2008-06-10 19:19 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-11 3:29 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 3:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-11 4:06 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 16:07 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-12 11:27 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 4:18 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11 5:00 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 5:13 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-11 5:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 6:02 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-12 12:14 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-12 13:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-11 14:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-06-11 5:20 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-06-04 2:19 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 19:43 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 21:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-03 21:44 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-04 2:25 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04 6:39 ` Trent Piepho
2008-06-03 22:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 3:42 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 4:08 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 4:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-27 7:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 15:50 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 16:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 17:38 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 17:53 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-27 18:07 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 18:17 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 21:23 ` Chris Friesen
2008-05-27 21:29 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 23:04 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-27 21:11 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 21:33 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-27 22:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-27 22:39 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 14:47 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 15:01 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-30 9:36 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 17:21 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-31 7:57 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-05-29 21:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:48 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 22:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 1:53 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-29 21:53 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-30 9:39 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-30 9:48 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-31 8:14 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 9:48 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-29 22:06 ` Roland Dreier
2008-05-29 22:25 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-30 3:56 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-31 7:52 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-02 9:56 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-02 21:02 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 4:33 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 8:15 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 8:19 ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-03 8:45 ` Jeremy Higdon
2008-06-03 16:52 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-06-05 8:40 ` Jes Sorensen
2008-06-05 8:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-06-12 15:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-06-13 0:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-31 8:04 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-27 8:24 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-27 15:28 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 22:55 ` [PATCH] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_beXX() asm code Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 14:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-21 19:44 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 20:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-20 22:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 22:11 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-20 22:47 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-20 23:14 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-21 8:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-05-21 20:25 ` Trent Piepho
2008-05-27 23:48 ` [PATCH V2] [POWERPC] Improve (in|out)_[bl]eXX() " Trent Piepho
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