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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:48:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253890120.18939.189.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1253753501.7103.358.camel@pasglop>

On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 10:51 +1000, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 14:11 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > I still think its a layering violation... its the hypervisor manager
> > that should be bothered in what state an off-lined cpu is in. 
> > 
> That's not how our hypervisor works.

Then fix it?

> If you ask through the management interface, to remove a CPU from a
> partition, the HV will communicate with a daemon inside the partition
> that will then unplug the CPU via the right call.
> 
> I don't really understand your objections to be honest. And I fail to
> see why it would be a layering violation to have the ability for the OS
> to indicate in what state it wishes to relinguish a CPU to the
> hypervisor, which more or less defines what is the expected latency for
> getting it back later on.

OK, so the main objection is the abuse of CPU hotplug as resource
management feature.

CPU hotplug is terribly invasive and expensive to the kernel, doing
hotplug on a minute basis is just plain crazy.

If you want a CPU in a keep it near and don't hand it back to the HV
state, why not use cpusets to isolate it and simply not run tasks on it?

cpusets don't use stopmachine and are much nicer to the rest of the
kernel over-all.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-25 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-15 12:06 [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] pSeries: cede latency specifier helper function Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 14:45   ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] cpu: Offline state Framework Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-30 17:31   ` Randy Dunlap
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] cpu: Implement cpu-offline-state callbacks for pSeries Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 12:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-15 13:21   ` Michael Ellerman
2009-09-15 14:58   ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-16  7:48     ` Heiko Carstens
2009-09-24  0:52       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-16 15:28   ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 15:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 16:24       ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 16:35         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 17:03           ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-16 17:22             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 20:17               ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-24  0:55         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-24  0:51   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-25 14:48     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-09-25 21:12       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-28 13:53         ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-28 13:51       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-26  9:55   ` Pavel Machek

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