From: Daniel Walker <dwalker@codeaurora.org>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
Cc: linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, "Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Russell King" <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>,
"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Kconfig: Enable Kconfig fragments to be used for defconfig
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:22:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1279124563.21162.14.camel@c-dwalke-linux.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1007131941140.10598@xanadu.home>
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 20:07 -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> That's one issue indeed.
>
> But there is another issue that is somewhat related, which is to be able
> to categorize config options.
>
> Currently the defconfig files carry information about the proper driver
> to enable in order to support devices soldered on the board and
> therefore which are not "optional". That might be a particular RTC
> chip, or a particular ethernet block integrated into a SOC, etc. Of
> course we want to preserve the ability to disable support for those
> things, but by default people want to have all the right drivers
> selected for all the built-in hardware when selecting a target
> machine/board without having to dig into a datasheet for that target.
>
> The defconfig files also carry config options that are totally
> arbitrary. What type of filesystem, what kind of network protocol, what
> USB device drivers (not host controller driver), what amount of
> debugging options, all those are unrelated to the actual hardware and
> may vary from one user to another.
Right.
> Furthermore, in order to reduce the number of defconfig files, we tried
> to combine as many targets into a single kernel image. That increases
> build test coverage with fewer builds which is good, but then the info
> about specific drivers required for a specific target but not for
> another target in the same defconfig is now lost. It is therefore quite
> hard to produce a highly optimized configuration for a single target
> without doing some digging again.
>
> So it is really in the Kconfig file that all those hardware specific
> options can be expressed in a clear and readable way. When BOARD_XYZ is
> selected and STD_CONFIG is selected, then automatically select RTC_FOO,
> select ETH_BAR, select LED_BAZ, etc. Of course we would want required
> dependencies to be automatically selected as well.
I see..
> But all the rest is arbitrary and could be part of common shared
> profiles or the like in defconfig format.
I'm sure most people will want to have a config isolated to their
specific device. That to me seems reasonable because everyone wants the
smallest possible kernel they can get for their given device.
Then there would be a smaller group who wants to create multi-device
images. I don't see this being the average users tho, or kernel hackers.
To me there is little difference between doing,
CONFIG_ARCH_MSM=y
or
select ARCH_MSM
they are basically doing the same thing. So doing anything in Kconfig is
a lateral move .. Converting over to Kconfig in this case doesn't makes
sense to me.
Could we do something more like adding an "#include" option into the
defconfigs .. Then you could create defconfigs that hold multiple
devices without a massive rework to what we currently have.
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-14 16:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-13 23:04 [RFC PATCH] Kconfig: Enable Kconfig fragments to be used for defconfig Grant Likely
2010-07-13 23:11 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-13 23:14 ` Daniel Walker
2010-07-13 23:21 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-13 23:33 ` Daniel Walker
2010-07-14 0:07 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-14 16:22 ` Daniel Walker [this message]
2010-07-16 23:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-07-19 5:20 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 16:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-07-16 17:57 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 18:07 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-16 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-16 18:18 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 18:19 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-16 18:21 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 18:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-16 18:30 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-16 18:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-16 18:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-16 20:09 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-07-16 20:17 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 20:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-16 20:37 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 20:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-07-16 20:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-16 18:52 ` Grant Likely
2010-07-16 20:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
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