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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, paulus@samba.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ian Munsie <imunsie@au1.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Introduce support for little endian PowerPC
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:14:43 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1285935283.2463.78.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinSDMvBb7rnnfwYMkEVOgDUqRetZg86rh-UmSAg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2010-10-01 at 07:30 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> 
> > From a community aspect is anyone actually going to use this?  Is
> this going to be the equivalent of voyager on x86?  I've got nothing
> against some of the endian clean ups this introduces.  However the
> changes to misc_32.S are a bit ugly from a readability point of view.
>  Just seems like this is likely to bit-rot pretty quickly.
> 
> I'm with Kumar on this one.  Why would we want to support this?  I
> can't say I would be very willing to help anyone run in LE mode, let
> alone have it randomly selectable. 

There's some good reasons on the field ... sadly.

At this stage this is mostly an experiment, which went pretty well in
the sense that it's actually quite easy and a lot of the "fixes" are
actually reasonable cleanups to carry.

Now, the main reasons in practice are anything touching graphics.

There's quite a few IP cores out there for SoCs that don't have HW
swappers, and -tons- of more or less ugly code that can't deal with non
native pixel ordering (hell, even Xorg isn't good at it, we really only
support cards that have HW swappers today).

There's an even bigger pile of application code that deals with graphics
without any regard for endianness and is essentially unfixable.

So it becomes a matter of potential customers that will take it if it
does LE and won't if it doesn't ...

Now, I don't have a problem supporting that as the maintainer, as I
said, from a kernel standpoint, it's all quite easy to deal with. Some
of the most gory aspects in misc_32.S could probably be done in a way
that is slightly more readable, but the approach is actually good, I
think, to have macros to represent the high/low parts of register pairs.

So at this stage, I'd say, let's not dismiss it just because we all come
from a long education of hating LE for the sake of it :-)

It makes -some- sense, even if it's not necessarily on the markets
targeted by FSL today for example. At least from the kernel POV, it
doesn't seem to me to be a significant support burden at all.

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-01 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-01  7:05 Introduce support for little endian PowerPC Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 01/18] powerpc: Add ability to build little endian kernels Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  9:18   ` Kumar Gala
2010-10-01 11:28     ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-01 12:09       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01 11:40   ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-01 12:22     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 02/18] powerpc: Add CROSSBE_COMPILE to build big endian boot wrapper Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:13   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2010-10-01  7:19     ` Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 03/18] powerpc: Support parsing a little endian kernel from zImage wrapper Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 04/18] powerpc: Allow taishan platform to boot a little endian kernel Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 05/18] powerpc: Wire up 44x little endian boot for remaining 44x targets Ian Munsie
2010-10-01 11:27   ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-06  1:28     ` Ian Munsie
2010-10-06  1:55       ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-06  2:10         ` Sean MacLennan
2010-10-01  7:05 ` [PATCH 06/18] powerpc 44x: Set E bit in TLBs and PTEs when CPU is in little endian mode Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 07/18] powerpc: Use generic bitops for little endian bitmap operations Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 08/18] powerpc: Include the appropriate endianness header Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 09/18] powerpc: Support device tree regardless of CPU endianness Ian Munsie
2010-10-03  3:15   ` Grant Likely
2010-10-03  6:22     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 10/18] powerpc: Support endian agnostic MMIO Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 11/18] powerpc: Make assembly endian agnostic when accessing 64bit values Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 12/18] powerpc 44x: Handle TLB miss regardless of endianness Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 13/18] powerpc 44x: Make DCR endianness agnostic Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 14/18] powerpc, of_serial: Endianness issues setting up the serial ports Ian Munsie
2010-10-07 23:23   ` Grant Likely
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 15/18] mtd: Fix endianness issues from device tree Ian Munsie
2010-10-01 19:29   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 16/18] powerpc: Fix endianness issues in alignment handler Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 17/18] net: Fix endianess issues in IBM newemac driver Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  7:06 ` [PATCH 18/18] powerpc: Fix jiffies variable on little endian Ian Munsie
2010-10-01  9:02 ` Introduce support for little endian PowerPC Kumar Gala
2010-10-01 11:30   ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-01 11:55     ` Gary Thomas
2010-10-01 12:15       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01 12:37         ` Gary Thomas
2010-10-01 12:14     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2010-10-01 16:20       ` Michel Dänzer
2010-10-01 20:50         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-04 10:30           ` Michel Dänzer
2010-10-04 22:50             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01 17:59       ` Kumar Gala
2010-10-01 20:51         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-01 22:03           ` Olof Johansson
2010-10-01 22:28             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-07 16:25             ` Hollis Blanchard
2010-10-01 11:36 ` Josh Boyer
2010-10-01 12:21   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-06  1:04   ` Ian Munsie

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