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From: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008 <B02008@freescale.com>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org" <kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Increase FPU laziness
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 12:17:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1372871854.8183.132@snotra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <23C56B31-5145-481E-9877-F1878F66959D@suse.de> (from agraf@suse.de on Wed Jul  3 11:59:45 2013)

On 07/03/2013 11:59:45 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>=20
> On 03.07.2013, at 17:41, Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008 wrote:
>=20
> >>>>> Increase FPU laziness by calling kvmppc_load_guest_fp() just =20
> before
> >>>>> returning to guest instead of each sched in. Without this =20
> improvement
> >>>>> an interrupt may also claim floting point corrupting guest =20
> state.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not sure I follow. Could you please describe exactly what's =20
> happening?
> >>>
> >>> This was already discussed on the list, I will forward you the =20
> thread.
> >>
> >> The only thing I've seen in that thread was some pathetic =20
> theoretical
> >> case where an interrupt handler would enable fp and clobber state
> >> carelessly. That's not something I'm worried about.
> >
> > Neither me though I don't find it pathetic. Please refer it to =20
> Scott.
>=20
> If from Linux's point of view we look like a user space program with =20
> active floating point registers, we don't have to worry about this =20
> case. Kernel code that would clobber that fp state would clobber =20
> random user space's fp state too.

This patch makes it closer to how it works with a user space program.  =20
Or rather, it reduces the time window when we don't (and can't) act =20
like a normal userspace program -- and ensures that we have interrupts =20
disabled during that window.  An interrupt can't randomly clobber FP =20
state; it has to call enable_kernel_fp() just like KVM does.  =20
enable_kernel_fp() clears the userspace MSR_FP to ensure that the state =20
it saves gets restored before userspace uses it again, but that won't =20
have any effect on guest execution (especially in HV-mode).  Thus =20
kvmppc_load_guest_fp() needs to be atomic with guest entry.  =20
Conceptually it's like taking an automatic FP unavailable trap when we =20
enter the guest, since we can't be lazy in HV-mode.

> >> I really don't see where this patch improves anything tbh. It =20
> certainly
> >> makes the code flow more awkward.
> >
> > I was pointing you to this: The idea of FPU/AltiVec laziness that =20
> the kernel
> > is struggling to achieve is to reduce the number of store/restore =20
> operations.
> > Without this improvement we restore the unit each time we are sched =20
> it. If an
> > other process take the ownership of the unit (on SMP it's even =20
> worse but don't
> > bother with this) the kernel store the unit state to qemu task. =20
> This can happen
> > multiple times during handle_exit().
> >
> > Do you see it now?
>=20
> Yup. Looks good. The code flow is very hard to follow though - there =20
> are a lot of implicit assumptions that don't get documented anywhere. =20
> For example the fact that we rely on giveup_fpu() to remove MSR_FP =20
> from our thread.

That's not new to this patch...

-Scott=

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-03 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-03 12:42 [PATCH 0/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: AltiVec support Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 1/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Use common defines for SPE/FP/AltiVec int numbers Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 2/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Refactor SPE/FP exit handling Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 13:30   ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 13:53     ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 15:13       ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 18:28         ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 18:42           ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 18:44             ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 3/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Increase FPU laziness Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 13:45   ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 13:55     ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 15:11       ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 15:41         ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 16:59           ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 17:17             ` Scott Wood [this message]
2013-07-03 17:22               ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 17:07         ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 17:08           ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 17:18   ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 17:23     ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 17:44       ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 18:39         ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 18:37   ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 18:40     ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-04  6:50       ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Add AltiVec support Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 15:17   ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 16:09     ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 16:43       ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 16:49         ` Caraman Mihai Claudiu-B02008
2013-07-03 17:07           ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 18:36             ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 18:45               ` Alexander Graf
2013-07-03 18:38   ` Scott Wood
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 5/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Add ONE_REG " Mihai Caraman
2013-07-03 12:42 ` [PATCH 6/6] KVM: PPC: Book3E: Enable e6500 core Mihai Caraman

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