From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: tytso@mit.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org,
agraf@suse.de, herbert@gondor.hengli.com.au,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
mpm@selenic.com, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] KVM: PPC: Book3S: Add support for hwrng found on some powernv systems
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 19:38:58 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1380620338.645.22.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131001083908.GA17294@redhat.com>
On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 11:39 +0300, Gleb Natapov wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 01, 2013 at 06:34:26PM +1000, Michael Ellerman wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:06:59AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > Il 26/09/2013 08:31, Michael Ellerman ha scritto:
> > > > Some powernv systems include a hwrng. Guests can access it via the
> > > > H_RANDOM hcall.
> > >
> > > Is there any reason to do this in the kernel?
> >
> > It's less code, and it's faster :)
> >
> > > It does not have to be a particularly fast path;
> >
> > Sure, but do we have to make it slow on purpose?
> >
> We do not put non performance critical devices into the kernel.
So for the sake of that dogma you are going to make us do something that
is about 100 times slower ? (and possibly involves more lines of code)
It's not just speed ... H_RANDOM is going to be called by the guest
kernel. A round trip to qemu is going to introduce a kernel jitter
(complete stop of operations of the kernel on that virtual processor) of
a full exit + round trip to qemu + back to the kernel to get to some
source of random number ... this is going to be in the dozens of ns at
least.
This makes no sense.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-01 9:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-09-26 6:31 [PATCH 1/3] powerpc: Implement arch_get_random_long/int() for powernv Michael Ellerman
2013-09-26 6:31 ` [PATCH 2/3] hwrng: Add a driver for the hwrng found in power7+ systems Michael Ellerman
2013-09-26 8:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-01 8:25 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-09-26 6:31 ` [PATCH 3/3] KVM: PPC: Book3S: Add support for hwrng found on some powernv systems Michael Ellerman
2013-09-26 9:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-01 8:34 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-10-01 8:39 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-01 9:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2013-10-01 9:57 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-01 10:00 ` Alexander Graf
2013-10-01 9:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2013-10-01 11:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-01 21:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02 8:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-02 5:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2013-10-02 8:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-02 9:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02 9:11 ` Alexander Graf
2013-10-02 9:50 ` Alexander Graf
2013-10-02 10:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 13:57 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-10-02 14:08 ` Alexander Graf
2013-10-02 14:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-02 14:36 ` Alexander Graf
2013-10-02 14:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-02 22:45 ` Paul Mackerras
2013-10-03 5:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-03 10:06 ` Paul Mackerras
2013-10-03 12:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 14:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 22:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-03 6:08 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 22:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02 14:10 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 22:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02 22:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-03 5:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-03 7:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02 22:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-03 6:28 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-02 21:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-01 9:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-27 14:15 ` Anshuman Khandual
2013-10-01 8:36 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-09-26 7:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] powerpc: Implement arch_get_random_long/int() for powernv Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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