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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Miroslav Franc <mfranc@redhat.com>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: bit fields && data tearing
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 19:52:54 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1409824374.4246.62.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <063D6719AE5E284EB5DD2968C1650D6D17487172@AcuExch.aculab.com>

On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 08:43 +0000, David Laight wrote:
> From:  Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> > On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 18:51 -0400, Peter Hurley wrote:
> > 
> > > Apologies for hijacking this thread but I need to extend this discussion
> > > somewhat regarding what a compiler might do with adjacent fields in a structure.
> > >
> > > The tty subsystem defines a large aggregate structure, struct tty_struct.
> > > Importantly, several different locks apply to different fields within that
> > > structure; ie., a specific spinlock will be claimed before updating or accessing
> > > certain fields while a different spinlock will be claimed before updating or
> > > accessing certain _adjacent_ fields.
> > >
> > > What is necessary and sufficient to prevent accidental false-sharing?
> > > The patch below was flagged as insufficient on ia64, and possibly ARM.
> > 
> > We expect native aligned scalar types to be accessed atomically (the
> > read/modify/write of a larger quantity that gcc does on some bitfield
> > cases has been flagged as a gcc bug, but shouldn't happen on normal
> > scalar types).
> 
> That isn't true on all architectures for items smaller than a machine word.
> At least one has to do rmw for byte accesses.

Yeah correct, alpha and bytes right ? Is there any other ? That's why I
suggested int.

> 	David
> 
> > I am not 100% certain of "bool" here, I assume it's treated as a normal
> > scalar and thus atomic but if unsure, you can always use int.
> > 
> > Another option is to use the atomic bitops and make these bits in a
> > bitmask but that is probably unnecessary if you have locks already.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-04  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-12 18:13 bit fields && data tearing Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 20:51 ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-12 23:34   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-13 12:29     ` Oleg Nesterov
2014-07-13 13:15     ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-13 22:25       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-07-15 13:54         ` Peter Hurley
2014-07-15 15:02           ` Richard Henderson
2014-09-03 22:51 ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-03 23:11   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-09-04  8:43     ` David Laight
2014-09-04  9:52       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2014-09-04 22:14         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  0:59           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  2:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 15:31               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 15:41                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 17:52                   ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 17:59                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:17                       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-09 11:18                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08 22:47                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09  1:59                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-09 11:14                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:04                         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-11 16:16                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-11 20:01                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-14 23:24                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-22 19:51                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-23 18:19                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-23 18:39                                 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-08 18:13                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 20:18                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-10 21:10                       ` Rob Landley
2014-09-05  2:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  8:16               ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 18:09                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:31                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:01                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:12                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-09-05 20:15                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:19                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 18:50                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 19:05                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:24                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:09                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 19:38                       ` Marc Gauthier
2014-09-05 20:14                         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 20:34                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05 20:42                             ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:43                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:48                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-09-05 21:05                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05 20:39                           ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 21:12                             ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 21:27                               ` Michael Cree
2014-09-05 20:42                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-04  8:57     ` Mikael Pettersson
2014-09-04  9:09       ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 12:24         ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 12:29           ` Jakub Jelinek
2014-09-04 16:50           ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-09-04 19:42             ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-04 22:16               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-05  0:17                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05  1:57                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  2:11                   ` James Bottomley
2014-09-05  2:47                     ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05  4:06                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-05  8:30                         ` David Laight
2014-09-05 12:31                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-05 12:37                             ` David Laight
2014-09-05 16:17                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-25 16:12                                 ` Pavel Machek
2014-09-07  5:07                         ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 16:21                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 19:04                             ` James Bottomley
2014-09-07 20:41                               ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-08  5:50                                 ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 20:45                                   ` Chris Metcalf
2014-09-08 22:43                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  2:27                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09  8:11                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-09-08 23:30                                   ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-09  2:56                                     ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  3:20                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09  4:30                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-09 10:40                                       ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-10 21:48                                         ` James Bottomley
2014-09-10 23:50                                           ` Peter Hurley
2014-09-11 10:23                                           ` Will Deacon
2014-09-07 23:00                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-07 23:36                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-09-07 23:39                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08  5:56                                       ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 18:12                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:09                                           ` James Bottomley
2014-09-08 19:12                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 19:12                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-08 22:39                                               ` James Bottomley
2014-09-09  2:30                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin

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