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From: Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>, "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
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Subject: Re: [RFC v2 01/39] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary
Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 15:15:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1424b9289049d0ad8b5c37a4e23ef70f0ef0f83d.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a0EMK0gHOmb-jvtfVLb1dun72kYUMKpb11T_GgXiuR9Mw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 2022-05-06 at 14:53 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:27 PM Maciej W. Rozycki <macro@orcam.me.uk> wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 May 2022, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > 
> > > >  If this is PCI/PCIe indeed, then an I/O access is just a different bit
> > > > pattern put on the bus/in the TLP in the address phase.  So what is there
> > > > inherent to the s390 architecture that prevents that different bit pattern
> > > > from being used?
> > > 
> > > The hardware design for PCI on s390 is very different from any other
> > > architecture, and more abstract. Rather than implementing MMIO register
> > > access as pointer dereference, this is a separate CPU instruction that
> > > takes a device/bar plus offset as arguments rather than a pointer, and
> > > Linux encodes this back into a fake __iomem token.
> > 
> >  OK, that seems to me like a reasonable and quite a clean design (on the
> > hardware side).
> > 
> >  So what happens if the instruction is given an I/O rather than memory BAR
> > as the relevant argument?  Is the address space indicator bit (bit #0)
> > simply ignored or what?
> 
> Not sure. My best guess is that it would actually work as you'd expect,
> but is deliberately left out of the architecture specification so they don't
> have to to validate the correctness.  Note that only a small number of
> PCIe cards are actually supported by IBM, and I think the firmware
> only passes devices to the OS if they are whitelisted.
> 
>         Arnd

Yes, though in Linux we do try hard to work with whatever is plugged
in. We did benefit from this in the past working with a new NIC from a
different vendor with 0 additional changes. Also you can use vfio-pci
to pass-through arbitrary PCI devices to a QEMU emulating s390x.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-06 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20220429135108.2781579-1-schnelle@linux.ibm.com>
2022-04-29 13:49 ` [RFC v2 01/39] Kconfig: introduce HAS_IOPORT option and select it as necessary Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-01 22:40   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-04 21:08   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-04 21:31     ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05  8:10       ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-05 16:10       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-05 17:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-05 19:53           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-06  9:12             ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06 11:18               ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-07  0:01                 ` Finn Thain
2022-05-07 13:14                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-07 23:59                     ` Finn Thain
2022-05-08  0:15                       ` Finn Thain
2022-05-06  9:38             ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 11:07               ` John Garry
2022-05-06 10:20           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 11:33             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 12:27               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` David Laight
2022-05-06 13:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 13:40                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:03                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 15:02                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 13:28                     ` David Laight
2022-05-06 14:44                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 14:56                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-05-06 15:03                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:53                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-05-06 13:15                   ` Niklas Schnelle [this message]
2022-05-06 13:16                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2022-05-06 12:55                 ` Niklas Schnelle
2022-05-06 12:42               ` Niklas Schnelle

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