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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, tndave <tushar.n.dave@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: clean up and modularize arch dma_mapping interface V2
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 10:36:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1498318616.31581.87.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170624071855.GD14580@lst.de>

On Sat, 2017-06-24 at 09:18 +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:24:28PM -0700, tndave wrote:
> > Thanks for doing this.
> > So archs can still have their own definition for dma_set_mask() if 
> > HAVE_ARCH_DMA_SET_MASK is y?
> > (and similarly for dma_set_coherent_mask() when 
> > CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_DMA_SET_COHERENT_MASK is y)
> > Any plan to change these?
> 
> Yes, those should go away, but I'm not entirely sure how yet.  We'll
> need some hook for switching between an IOMMU and a direct mapping
> (I guess that's what you want to do for sparc as well?), and I need
> to find the best way to do that.  Reimplementing all of dma_set_mask
> and dma_set_coherent_mask is something that I want to move away from.

I think we still need to do it. For example we have a bunch new "funky"
cases.

We already have the case where we mix the direct and iommu mappings,
on some powerpc platforms that translates in an iommu mapping down at
0 for the 32-bit space and a direct mapping high up in the PCI address
space (which crops the top bits and thus hits memory at 0 onwards).

This type of hybrid layout is needed by some adapters, typically
storage, which want to keep the "coherent" mask at 32-bit but support
64-bit for streaming masks.

Another one we are trying to deal better with at the moment is devices
with DMA addressing limitations. Some GPUs typically (but not only)
have limits that go all accross the gamut, typically I've seen 40 bits,
44 bits and 47 bits... And of course those are "high peformance"
adapters so we don't want to limit them to the comparatively small
iommu mapping with extra overhead.

At the moment, we're looking at a dma_set_mask() hook that will, for
these guys, re-configure the iommu mapping to create a "compressed"
linear mapping of system memory (ie, skipping the holes we have between
chip on P9 for example) using the largest possible iommu page size
(256M on P8, 1G on P9).

This is made tricky of course because several devices can potentially
share a DMA domain based on various platform specific reasons. And of
course we have no way to figure out what's the "common denominator" of
all those devices before they start doing DMA. A driver can start
before the neighbour is probed and a driver can start doing DMAs using
the standard 32-bit mapping without doing dma_set_mask().

So heuristics ... ugh. Better ideas welcome :-) All that to say that we
are far from being able to get rid of dma_set_mask() custom
implementations (and coherent mask too).

I was tempted at some point retiring the 32-bit iommu mapping
completely, just doing that "linear" thing I mentioned above and
swiotlb for the rest, along with introducing ZONE_DMA32 on powerpc
(with the real 64-bit bypass still around for non-limited devices but
that's then just extra speed by bypassing the iommu xlate & cache).

But I worry of the impact on those silly adapters that set the coherent
mask to 32-bits to keep their microcode & descriptor ring down in 32-
bit space. I'm not sure how well ZONE_DMA32 behaves in those cases.

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-24 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-16 18:10 clean up and modularize arch dma_mapping interface V2 Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 01/44] firmware/ivc: use dma_mapping_error Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 02/44] ibmveth: properly unwind on init errors Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 03/44] dmaengine: ioat: don't use DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 20:40   ` Alexander Duyck
2017-06-18  7:09     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 04/44] drm/exynos: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 05/44] drm/armada: don't abuse DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 06/44] iommu/dma: don't rely on DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-19 15:12   ` Robin Murphy
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 07/44] xen-swiotlb: consolidate xen_swiotlb_dma_ops Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 08/44] xen-swiotlb: implement ->mapping_error Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 09/44] c6x: remove DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 10/44] ia64: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 11/44] m32r: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 12/44] microblaze: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 13/44] openrisc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 14/44] sh: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 15/44] xtensa: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 16/44] arm64: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 17/44] hexagon: switch to use ->mapping_error for error reporting Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 18/44] iommu/amd: implement ->mapping_error Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 19/44] s390: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 20/44] sparc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 21/44] powerpc: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 22/44] x86/pci-nommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 23/44] x86/calgary: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 24/44] x86: remove DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 25/44] arm: implement ->mapping_error Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 26/44] dma-mapping: remove DMA_ERROR_CODE Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 27/44] sparc: remove leon_dma_ops Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 28/44] sparc: remove arch specific dma_supported implementations Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 29/44] dma-noop: remove dma_supported and mapping_error methods Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 30/44] dma-virt: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 31/44] hexagon: remove arch-specific dma_supported implementation Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 32/44] hexagon: remove the unused dma_is_consistent prototype Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 33/44] openrisc: remove arch-specific dma_supported implementation Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 34/44] arm: remove arch specific " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 35/44] x86: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 36/44] dma-mapping: remove HAVE_ARCH_DMA_SUPPORTED Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 37/44] mips/loongson64: implement ->dma_supported instead of ->set_dma_mask Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 38/44] arm: " Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 39/44] xen-swiotlb: remove xen_swiotlb_set_dma_mask Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 40/44] tile: remove dma_supported and mapping_error methods Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 41/44] powerpc/cell: clean up fixed mapping dma_ops initialization Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 42/44] powerpc/cell: use the dma_supported method for ops switching Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-17 20:50   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-18  7:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-18  9:54       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 43/44] dma-mapping: remove the set_dma_mask method Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-16 18:10 ` [PATCH 44/44] powerpc: merge __dma_set_mask into dma_set_mask Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-20 12:41 ` new dma-mapping tree, was Re: clean up and modularize arch dma_mapping interface V2 Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-20 13:04   ` Stephen Rothwell
2017-06-20 13:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-21 13:32       ` Marek Szyprowski
2017-06-22 21:53         ` Stephen Rothwell
2017-06-26  7:03         ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-20 13:14   ` Robin Murphy
2017-06-20 13:15     ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-21 19:24 ` tndave
2017-06-24  7:18   ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-24 15:36     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2017-06-26  9:47       ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-06-26 22:06         ` tndave

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