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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	Yoder Stuart-B08248 <stuart.yoder@freescale.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 15/16] Add device tree for Ebony
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:17:28 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <17877.1576.405941.835140@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65b693652fa034ed521e132a6142b3b7@kernel.crashing.org>

Segher Boessenkool writes:

> > We don't require an OF device tree;
> 
> When booting on real OF you do.

No, the kernel requires a flattened tree, which is created by glue
code from the OF device tree.  Currently everything in the OF tree
goes across into the flattened tree, but in future there may not be a
1-1 correspondence.

> > what we require is something that
> > provides a way to express what the kernel needs to know about the
> > hierarchy, interconnections and characteristics of the devices in the
> > system.
> 
> Sure.  You could have chosen a structure that is closer to the
> internal Linux structures.

What internal Linux structures?  In any case it's a mistake to tie
internal and external structures together because it creates future
compatibility headaches.

> > That it looks strangely familiar to you is just a
> > coincidence. :)
> 
> Heh suuuuuuuure :-)

The device tree is basically a generalization of the list of tags +
values that ppc and other architectures use.  The tags are strings
rather than numbers, because that makes sense, and you can group sets
of tags + values that relate to a particular device together, and you
can link devices together in a hierarchical arrangement.

The last thing I want to do is to put unnecessary burdens on embedded
platforms just to comply with OF requirements.  We have the device
tree because it makes sense both for embedded and for desktop/server
machines, not because OF is some sort of holy writ.

Paul.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-16  1:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-13  6:09 [0/16] Preliminary Ebony (440GP) support for arch/powerpc David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 6/16] Port 44x MMU definitions to ARCH=powerpc David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:24   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13 17:13     ` Roland Dreier
2007-02-13 17:45       ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-13 21:36       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 8/16] Define FIXED_PORT flag for serial_core David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 5/16] powerpc: Add zImage platform hook for kernel address David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 7/16] Early serial debug support for PPC44x David Gibson
2007-02-13 15:04   ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14  0:16     ` David Gibson
2007-02-14  1:02       ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14  1:00         ` David Gibson
2007-02-14  2:00           ` Alan Modra
2007-02-14  2:02             ` David Gibson
2007-02-14  2:38               ` Alan Modra
2007-02-14 15:41                 ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14 23:05                   ` David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 3/16] [powerpc] Use udbg_early_init() on ppc32 David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:22   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 4/16] powerpc: Allow duplicate lmb_reserve() calls David Gibson
2007-02-13  7:05   ` Michael Neuling
2007-02-13  8:48     ` Michael Ellerman
2007-02-13 20:44     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 1/16] Remove ibm4{xx,4x}.h from arch/powerpc David Gibson
2007-02-13 14:19   ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 2/16] More DCR native fixups David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:22   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 9/16] Use resource_size_t for serial port IO addresses David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 11/16] zImage wrapper for Ebony David Gibson
2007-02-13 17:05   ` Geoff Levand
2007-02-14  0:17     ` David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 12/16] Automatically lmb_reserve() initrd David Gibson
2007-02-13  7:14   ` Michael Neuling
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 13/16] Add initrd properties to device tree from zImage David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 10/16] Add support for BSS stack for zImage wrapper David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 14/16] Add arch/powerpc driver for UIC, PPC4xx interrupt controller David Gibson
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 15/16] Add device tree for Ebony David Gibson
2007-02-13 20:08   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14  0:22     ` David Gibson
2007-02-14  1:51       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-14  4:46         ` David Gibson
2007-02-14 17:54           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 23:18             ` David Gibson
2007-02-15  0:25               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 17:51         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 17:48       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 21:30         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15  0:03           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  0:53             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15  1:00               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  2:22                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15  2:51                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 23:17         ` David Gibson
2007-02-15  0:27           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15 14:02             ` Jon Loeliger
2007-02-15 14:56               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15 17:02                 ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-15 17:10                   ` Scott Wood
2007-02-16  9:20                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 16:14   ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-14 16:32     ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14 17:58       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 20:08         ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-14 21:12           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 21:35             ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-14 21:42               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-14 21:59                 ` Scott Wood
2007-02-15  0:20                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 22:50                 ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-14 22:57                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15  0:17                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  2:12                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-02-15  2:43                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  3:15                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-02-15 14:40                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-16  1:17                           ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2007-02-16  9:41                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  0:10               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-14 23:32             ` David Gibson
2007-02-14 23:27           ` David Gibson
2007-02-14 23:22         ` David Gibson
2007-02-14 23:51           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15  0:36             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  0:31           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  1:53             ` David Gibson
2007-02-15  3:09               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15  3:33                 ` David Gibson
2007-02-15 14:47                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15 10:52                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-15 14:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15 20:43                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-16  9:23                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-15 16:37                 ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-15 21:41                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-16  9:25                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-02-16 15:32                     ` Hartmut Penner
2007-02-16 16:47                       ` Yoder Stuart-B08248
2007-02-19 12:02                         ` Hartmut Penner
2007-02-14 21:29       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-02-13  6:10 ` [PATCH 16/16] Support for Ebony in arch/powerpc David Gibson
2007-02-13 17:18   ` Roland Dreier
2007-02-14  0:20     ` David Gibson
2007-02-13 14:37 ` [0/16] Preliminary Ebony (440GP) support for arch/powerpc Josh Boyer
2007-02-13 20:21   ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-13 15:46 ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14 16:06   ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-14 23:12     ` David Gibson
2007-02-16  2:19       ` Josh Boyer
2007-02-16  2:53         ` David Gibson
2007-02-16  4:33           ` Josh Boyer

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