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From: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
To: "prodyut hazarika" <prodyuth@gmail.com>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, David Jander <david.jander@protonic.nl>,
	John Rigby <jrigby@freescale.com>,
	munroesj@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Efficient memcpy()/memmove() for G2/G3 cores...
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:04:58 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18623.16970.61036.731524@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49c0ff980809031333g1b63694bkffbacb0ae8112120@mail.gmail.com>

prodyut hazarika writes:

> glibc memxxx for powerpc are horribly inefficient. For optimal performance,
> we should should dcbt instruction to establish the source address in cache, and
> dcbz to establish the destination address in cache. We should do
> dcbt and dcbz such that the touches happen a line ahead of the actual copy.
> 
> The problem which is see is that dcbt and dcbz instructions don't work on
> non-cacheable memory (obviously!). But memxxx function are used for both
> cached and non-cached memory. Thus this optimized memcpy should be smart enough
> to figure out that both source and destination address fall in
> cacheable space, and only then
> used the optimized dcbt/dcbz instructions.

I would be careful about adding overhead to memcpy.  I found that in
the kernel, almost all calls to memcpy are for less than 128 bytes (1
cache line on most 64-bit machines).  So, adding a lot of code to
detect cacheability and do prefetching is just going to slow down the
common case, which is short copies.  I don't have statistics for glibc
but I wouldn't be surprised if most copies were short there also.

The other thing that I have found is that code that is optimal for
cache-cold copies is usually significantly slower than optimal for
cache-hot copies, because the cache management instructions consume
cycles and don't help in the cache-hot case.

In other words, I don't think we should be tuning the glibc memcpy
based on tests of how fast it copies multiple megabytes.

Still, for 6xx/e300 cores, we probably do want to use dcbt/dcbz for
larger copies.  We don't want to use dcbt/dcbz on the larger 64-bit
processors (POWER4/5/6) because the hardware prefetching and
write-combining mean that dcbt/dcbz don't help and just slow things
down.

Paul.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-04  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-25  9:31 Efficient memcpy()/memmove() for G2/G3 cores David Jander
2008-08-25 11:00 ` Matt Sealey
2008-08-25 13:06   ` David Jander
2008-08-25 22:28     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-08-27 21:04       ` Steven Munroe
2008-08-29 11:48         ` David Jander
2008-08-29 12:21           ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-09-01  7:23             ` David Jander
2008-09-01  9:36               ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-09-02 13:12                 ` David Jander
2008-09-03  6:43                   ` Joakim Tjernlund
2008-09-03 20:33                   ` prodyut hazarika
2008-09-04  2:04                     ` Paul Mackerras [this message]
2008-09-04 12:05                       ` David Jander
2008-09-04 12:19                         ` Josh Boyer
2008-09-04 12:59                           ` David Jander
2008-09-04 14:31                             ` Steven Munroe
2008-09-04 14:45                               ` Gunnar Von Boehn
2008-09-04 15:14                               ` Gunnar Von Boehn
2008-09-04 16:25                               ` David Jander
2008-09-04 15:01                             ` Gunnar Von Boehn
2008-09-04 16:32                               ` David Jander
2008-09-04 18:14                       ` prodyut hazarika
2008-08-29 20:34           ` Steven Munroe
2008-09-01  8:29             ` David Jander
2008-08-31  8:28           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-09-01  6:42             ` David Jander

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