From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <bh40@calva.net>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@sonycom.com>, linuxppc-dev@lists.linuxppc.org
Subject: Re: New booter
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:47:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19990916124715.021257@mailhost.mipsys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9909160957530.21133-100000@ivy.sonytel.be>
On Thu, Sep 16, 1999, Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@sonycom.com> wrote:
>After compiling a new kernel, I copy it to /boot (using a new name, of
>course),
>update the symlinks and rerun LILO. If I forget (one of) the last two steps,
>nothing bad happens.
>
>IMHO the best thing would be something like MILO on the Alpha. MILO is a
>small binary that contains device drivers and filesystems taken from the
>standard Linux kernel sources. Hence MILO knows about e.g. your ext2fs
>partition and fancy U2W-SCSI adapter. On Alpha the MILO binary is put on a
>MSDOS formatted partition. On PPC, you could store it on either a HFS or
MSDOS
>formatted partition, or use a LILO-alike scheme (raw-blocks). Even BootX
could
>load MILO under MacOS, if you want that.
>
>Combined, you would have a shared `high-level' booter, which is called by
>different `low-level' booters (FS (HFS/MSDOS), raw-blocks, BootX), depending
>on
>your taste and architecture:
I personally tend to think that the small HFS partition is not a so bad
idea. As several person pointed out, the boot block mecanism involves
fitting most of the primary booter in a small space, requires building a
map of the files it must access to, etc...
With a firmware able to load files from a simple file system, eventually
hidden from users, makes things a lot easier, you don't have to rebuild
maps each time you change a file, you can split your booter into several
files if you want to, etc...
For example, under linuxppc, we could mount this bootstrap HFS partition
on /boot, and just copy kernel to this in order to make them available to
the booter.
Of course, all this is specific to PowerMacs, other PPC machine needs a
different boot mecanism anyway.
Back to miBoot, I'll try to get it working first (it seems to work but
the kernel hangs, I don't know why yet and I won't have time to look into
this until this week-end). It doesn't solve all the problems since making
bootable CDs (which is my main goal for now) requires a valid driver on
the CD (only MacOS Toast can do that to my knowledge) and using this
trick to boot from the HD also requires a valid MacOS driver on the disk.
I do have some plans to extend the mecanism further and make a CD driver
to avoid relying on Toast and eventually a hard disk driver too (I do
have a prototype SCSI driver but this requires licenced patches from
Apple to make something really useable).
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[not found] <v04011701b404e6cd4493@[199.174.193.101]>
[not found] ` <v04210105b404ed46f043@[192.168.0.1]>
1999-09-15 9:39 ` New booter Benjamin Herrenschmidt
1999-09-15 9:58 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 17:53 ` Kevyn Shortell
1999-09-15 18:03 ` David A. Gatwood
1999-09-15 22:40 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 22:56 ` Tom Rini
1999-09-16 7:50 ` New booter-New world Sean
1999-09-16 11:46 ` David Riley
1999-09-16 17:05 ` Kevyn Shortell
1999-09-16 23:46 ` Sean
1999-09-15 23:03 ` New booter Dan Burcaw
1999-09-15 22:37 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 23:02 ` Peter Bierman
1999-09-16 3:18 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-16 3:37 ` David D. Kilzer
1999-09-15 23:10 ` Wolfgang Denk
1999-09-16 8:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
1999-09-16 8:38 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-16 10:47 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
1999-09-16 17:01 ` David A. Gatwood
1999-09-16 18:48 ` Michel Lanners
1999-09-15 23:15 ` erik cameron
1999-09-16 3:50 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-16 4:21 ` Dan Burcaw
1999-09-15 17:22 ` David A. Gatwood
1999-09-15 22:41 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 17:39 ` Peter Bierman
1999-09-15 22:27 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 22:47 ` David N. Welton
1999-09-15 23:01 ` Dan Burcaw
1999-09-15 22:48 ` Peter Bierman
1999-09-15 23:19 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-15 23:48 ` Tom Rini
1999-09-16 0:23 ` David A. Gatwood
1999-09-16 4:02 ` Sean
1999-09-16 5:42 ` David A. Gatwood
1999-09-16 3:59 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-16 7:42 ` New booter (about quik) Michel Lanners
1999-09-17 0:32 ` Paul Mackerras
1999-09-17 1:46 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-17 15:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
[not found] <199909170500.AAA08016@lists.linuxppc.org>
1999-09-17 16:07 ` New booter Derek Homeier
1999-09-18 12:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
1999-09-14 9:37 Ethan Benson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-09-14 9:18 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
1999-09-14 9:28 ` Ethan Benson
1999-09-14 9:10 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
1999-09-13 20:37 Kevin Puetz
1999-09-13 22:08 ` Ethan Benson
[not found] <19990913192231.002595>
1999-09-13 17:24 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
1999-09-13 19:51 ` Andreas Bogk
1999-09-13 18:12 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
1999-09-13 17:22 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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