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From: "Vegard Nossum" <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de>,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: the printk problem
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:41:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19f34abd0807051141h4ccfd0ar28660199f2bbf81f@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807051045520.2815@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008, Vegard Nossum wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de> wrote:
>> > How about %p{feature}?
>
> No.
>
> I _expressly_ chose '%p[alphanumeric]*' because it's basically
> totally insane to have that in a *real* printk() string: the end result
> would be totally unreadable.
>
> In contrast, '%p[specialchar]' is not unreadable, and in fact we have lots
> of those already in the kernel. In fact, there are 40 occurrences of '%p{'
> in the kernel, just grep for it (especially the AFS code seems to be very
> happy to use that kind of printout in its debug statements).
>
> So it makes perfect sense to have a _real_ printk string that says
>
>        "BUG: Dentry %p{i=%lx,n=%s}"
>
> where we have that '%p{...' sequence: the end result is easily parseable.
> In contrast, anybody who uses '%pS' or something like that and expects a
> pointer name to be immediately followed by teh letter 'S' is simply
> insane, because the end result is an unreadable mess.

That's really a truly hideous hack :-)

Single letters are bad because it hurts readability and limits the
usefulness of the extension.</MHO>

If it's just the {} that is the problem, use something else. I'm sure
we can find something that isn't used already.

>
>> (It's hard on the stack, yes, I know. We should fix kallsyms.)
>
> Not just that, but it's broken when KALLSYMS is disabled. Look at what
> sprint_symbol() becomes.

Oops. Not hard to mend, though.

> The patch I already sent out is about a million times better, because it
> avoids all these issues, and knows about subtle issues like the difference
> between a direct pointer and a pointer to a function descriptor.

Right, right. I found it now:

http://ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2008-July/059257.html

Argh... Some pointer to original thread would be nice when adding new Ccs.


Vegard

PS: Your version has exactly the same stack problem. Will send a patch
for kallsyms later.

-- 
"The animistic metaphor of the bug that maliciously sneaked in while
the programmer was not looking is intellectually dishonest as it
disguises that the error is the programmer's own creation."
	-- E. W. Dijkstra, EWD1036

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-05 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20080704104634.GA31634@digi.com>
     [not found]   ` <20080704111540.ddffd241.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]     ` <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807041147450.2815@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2008-07-04 20:02       ` the printk problem Linus Torvalds
2008-07-04 20:27         ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-04 20:41           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-04 20:42           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-07-04 22:01             ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-05  2:03               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-07-22 10:05                 ` [PATCH] Make u64 long long on all architectures (was: the printk problem) Andrew Morton
2008-07-22 10:36                   ` Michael Ellerman
2008-07-22 10:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-22 11:36                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-22 11:35                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-05 10:20               ` the printk problem Denys Vlasenko
2008-07-05 11:33               ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-05 12:52                 ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-05 13:24                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-05 13:50                     ` Vegard Nossum
2008-07-05 14:07                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-05 17:56                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-05 18:40                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-05 18:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-05 18:41                     ` Vegard Nossum [this message]
2008-07-05 18:52                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-07-06  0:02                         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-06  5:17                           ` Randy Dunlap
2008-07-04 22:58             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-04 20:36         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-07-08  1:44           ` Kyle McMartin
2008-07-04 23:00         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-04 23:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-05 22:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-05 22:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-06  5:27               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-06  5:37                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-06  5:53                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-06  6:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-07  1:14             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-07  3:26               ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-07-07  3:28                 ` Michael Ellerman
2008-07-07  4:59                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-07-07  3:43                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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